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Rogue Cataclysm Talent Changes Rundown

envoyé 2010-06-10 à 00:17 par Malgayne

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Commentaire de Heretic013 Heh
I know thats quite strange talent tree...
http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#fheMuxMoq0scZZebfzMxzfhoG:bdiVmc
It doesnt look so terrible ;p - but the q is: what with mastery bonus? Commentaire de MarioMetroid Some errors\r
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Quick Recovery was changed. Currently it refunds 40\/80% of the energy of a missed finishing move + +10\/20% healing. In Cata it is just +10\/20% healing\r
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Opportunity was changed that it will be +10\/20\/30% dmg to ambush, garrote, backstab, and mutilate. (It is currently 10\/20%).\r
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Typo in Honor Among Thieves "This effect cannot occur more than once every 4\/32\/2 seconds." (should be 4\/3\/2) Commentaire de Sabitha Personally, I like most of these talents. I play an assassination rogue and I'm loving the new changes. The only problem is I don't have enough talent points! Commentaire de 05K4R Typo on the Subtlety tree on Honor Among Thieves:

Cataclysm: Increases the ranged and melee critical hit chance of all party and raid members by 5%. When any player in your party or raid critically hits with a ranged or melee ability, you have a 33\/66\/100% chance to gain a combo point on your current target. This effect cannot occur more than once every 4\/32\/2 seconds. Commentaire de Cadiac Wait, that vendetta sounds pretty overpowered in pvp, if you ask me :o Commentaire de Schmenza I'm not liking the fact that combat requires you to pick up multiple filler talents on the way to killing spree. Restless Blades seems interesting. The fact that we can get down to cold blood with killing spree makes me wonder if cold blood will cause every strike with killing spree to be a crit? Commentaire de budgie Vendetta is similar to hunter's mark. Commentaire de Coeurmasque I don't like most of these changes. Half the changes are just moving crap around that should've been moved and the other half is making up useless crap. Compared to the other released trees I say we have been given the short stick yet again. Hopefully 80-90% of this is not going to see the light of release day. Commentaire de Caperon I don't like most of these changes. Half the changes are just moving crap around that should've been moved and the other half is making up useless crap. Compared to the other released trees I say we have been given the short stick yet again. Hopefully 80-90% of this is not going to see the light of release day.

As always: This is a preview. All of this is subject to change in the future, so don't get too attached. Commentaire de Coeurmasque yes yes i can read, just thought id put my thoughts of this preview out there as it is a preview and stated only "subject to change" and not stated "will of course change in the future" it leaves much open endedness Commentaire de Coldkil As always: This is a preview. All of this is subject to change in the future, so don't get too attached.\r
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this doesn't stop me from trying to make some builds just for fun and get some confidence with the new talents.\r
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i'm not an expert ov PvP, so i'll leave them out.\r
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there are 3 PvE builds i've thought about:\r
- assasination: http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#f0eMhegoV0oIuVuV0xZx0c left 4 points as fillers.\r
much similar to current, ofc 5% hit is a must. got blackjack cause it's useful in CC pulls, murderous intent become the "execute" of rogues. (more pvp feeling, but i needed points to go down in the tree).\r
melee haste in combat seems unreachable.\r
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- combat: http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#fhe00xZE0gVruMdu0czbeox left 1 point.\r
also here, just some moved talents, but i feel there are lots of fillers. tried to get all current talents, i think that this should be the template (excluding big changes ofc)\r
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- sublety: http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#fhLZV0xZxbszhgzfxR0esiu this time i spent all talents.\r
a tree focused on daggers (backstab as combo builder, and hemo only to refersh the debuff). again, dual wield spec and hit are mandatory, many points are spent on "fun talents"(?). need to see if the new shadow dance will be worth to take, and use eviscerate to refresh rupture duration. Commentaire de Caperon Please, but please don't post pve subtlety builds.\r
Before you know it you'll start a chainreaction of niblets asking for one. Commentaire de Coldkil i know, but with all the buffs sublety is receiving at least we can try something. at max i've spent 100gold on it :P\r
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after every build i've wwritten my thoughts about, but it's to soon to make comparisons\/theorycrafting. Commentaire de Maelynn - assasination: http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#f0eMhegoV0oIuVuV0xZx0c left 4 points as fillers.\r
much similar to current, ofc 5% hit is a must. got blackjack cause it's useful in CC pulls, murderous intent become the "execute" of rogues. (more pvp feeling, but i needed points to go down in the tree).\r
melee haste in combat seems unreachable.\r
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My tree is similar, except that I didn't take Venomous Wounds but instead went for Imp Ambush and Hemo in the sub tree. Seeing as how you no longer need Rupture\/Garrote to be able to activate HfB, and I don't use those attacks for any other reason, I reckoned it'd be nicer to go for Hemo. I already use daggers for Muti, so Hemo should do a nice bit of damage if I don't have enough energy for Muti. Commentaire de Caperon ^\r
What? Commentaire de Coldkil \r
My tree is similar, except that I didn't take Venomous Wounds but instead went for Imp Ambush and Hemo in the sub tree. Seeing as how you no longer need Rupture\/Garrote to be able to activate HfB, and I don't use those attacks for any other reason, I reckoned it'd be nicer to go for Hemo. I already use daggers for Muti, so Hemo should do a nice bit of damage if I don't have enough energy for Muti.\r
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venomous wound is a must, since rupture will return in the cycles (nerf poison dmg, buff ability damage) and i'm pretty sure the nature damage will be affected by assasination mastery.\r
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going for hemo is not so convenient, since we will be busy enough keeping up rupture, maximize envenom buff and use the cooldowns (vendetta and the new cold blood).\r
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anyway, theorycrafting is not out so anything can be equally correct. Commentaire de Maelynn rupture will return in the cycles (nerf poison dmg, buff ability damage) and i'm pretty sure the nature damage will be affected by assasination mastery.\r
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So the proc chance on a bit of nature damage is good enough to make it worthwhile to use Rupture in the rotation and spend 3 talent points on it? I'm no theorycrafter, but so far it sounds a bit steep to me for something that doesn't even have a 100% chance.\r
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But indeed, if Rupture will stay then it's no use going for Hemo. I just wish it wouldn't, I hate having to keep it up at the cost of using Envenom. Commentaire de Coldkil \r
So the proc chance on a bit of nature damage is good enough to make it worthwhile to use Rupture in the rotation and spend 3 talent points on it? I'm no theorycrafter, but so far it sounds a bit steep to me for something that doesn't even have a 100% chance.\r
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But indeed, if Rupture will stay then it's no use going for Hemo. I just wish it wouldn't, I hate having to keep it up at the cost of using Envenom.\r
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my tree has 4 points more to spend, probably hemo is worth to take. simply i don't know.\r
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venomous wound is a straight dmg+, so i think it will become mandatory (again, mastery has a huge role here). Commentaire de Blackboy0
Vendetta (1 point) - New!
Cataclysm: Marks an enemy for death, increasing all damage you deal to the target by 20% and granting you unerring vision of your target, regardless of concealments such as Stealth and Invisibility. Lasts 30 seconds.

What are we, turning into Hunters or something?

But srsly. I like the new changes. I'm sad to see Hunger for Blood go, but I like Vendetta too =) And a lot of my already-put Talents are being removed with some that I'm not too sure about, but we'll see how it goes. Maybe I'll like the Cata talents more!

Looks good Blizz, looks good. Commentaire de Richardplex the spec i made, again similar to yours, is http:\/\/cata.wowhead.com\/talent#f0eMhegoV0oIuAuV0xZx0s:fTZcm0\r
i chose turn the tables due to the addition of murderous intent, making it even more deadly, along with a nice bonus to mutilate :)\r
i also believe rupture with be buffed, and with venamous wounds make rupture, and using garrote as an opening, more effective. same with the talents for sap, as it probably will be needed.\r
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i also assume the change to vendetta and cold blood is because ol' blizz want assassination to have more CD's. \r
I'm not liking the fact that combat requires you to pick up multiple filler talents on the way to killing spree blizzard will buff the tree in general so you can get fillers e.g. the melee damage bonus of the 1st mastery bonus is significantly higher than the other trees, allowing you to be unique and have different talents without it being a nerf to your dps. combat is gaining more tools and perks while still being a viable pve spec. assasination, not so much, but at least we aren't trying hack\/bludgeon our targets to death with axes and maces while still being a stealthy class :>\r
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What are we, turning into Hunters or something?\r
in soviet russia, hunters turn into rogues! *looks at hunter changes* wait a minute...

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