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News Roundup: Recent Hotfixes, Legendary Questline, PvP Power in Warlords

envoyé 2014-01-15 à 11:49 par perculia

Mists of Pandaria legendary questlinePrideful GladiatorClick the cut to read the blue posts!Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes for January 14th

Rygarius

Classes

Chasseur
General
now uses the same version of debuff as Voleurs; reducing the target's casting speed on player targets by 10% (down from 25%).

Raids, Dungeons, and Scenarios

Siège d’Orgrimmar
Paragons of the Klaxxi
Resolved an issue that could cause tanks to be unable to interact with a fallen Paragon.

Legendary Questline Difficulty

Bashiok

I posted about this somewhere before, but I can't find it now...

I'll largely avoid the tedious vs. challenging conversation as I'm not feeling very eloquent right now, but I will say that it's about variety. There need to be a wide variety of things to do with a wide variety of requirements to build a whole experience and appeal to any particular player at any particular moment in their schedule, knowledge, or skill with the game.

Ok, in any case, with the Legendary questline in Mists we wanted to have a reward that everyone could follow along with as the expansion progressed, and to create a story and gear-upgrade thread throughout the expansion, ultimately leading to a Legendary item of some kind. Also while developing the expansion it was important for us to support this fairly new system called LFR, and so for the Legendary to also be accessible regardless of the raid difficulty you were involved in. Obviously both have been really successful, and we're happy with hitting the goals we set for ourselves. That said we definitely learned a lot of lessons, and definitely agree on the 3000 VP step being wholly un-Legendary in particular. We think there's certainly room to improve for a future Legendary or Legendaries, and bigger goals to set to provide a challenging and rewarding experience to appeal to and be accessible by a wide range of players - to be completely vague about it. ;) Overall I'd say we're on the same page.

PvP Power in Warlords

Lore

We are planning to revisit PvP Power in Warlords. Our current thinking is that, instead of a flat percentage increase to your normal damage/healing in PvP (as it is currently), it'll be a bonus amount of your spec's primary stat (Strength, Agility, or Intellect).

Here's an example with some completely made-up numbers: lets say a piece of gear has 80 Strength and 30 PvP Power on it. In a PvP environment, that would total out to be 110 Strength. Meanwhile, an equivalent piece of PvE gear might only have 100 Strength on it. Again, those numbers are purely hypothetical, but hopefully it illustrates the idea.

That change accomplishes a couple of things for us. First, it lets us keep PvP and PvE item levels closer together, while still ensuring that PvP gear remains best for PvP and vice versa. It also "demystifies" PvP Power quite a bit; a percentage-based increase can be hard to really quantify without a lot of math, but raw stats are much easier to understand.

As to the name, we can talk about it, but part of why we chose the term "PvP Power" to begin with was that it makes it extremely obvious that the stat only functions inside PvP environments. We want to be sure that players who purchase PvP gear know that it's going to be less effective in PvE situations. I'll bring it up, though :)
We've discussed a similar idea (and may yet decide to go with something like it), but our concern with it is that it's still somewhat complicated for players to figure out. As I mentioned earlier, one of the issues we'd like to solve is how difficult it can be to figure out exactly what impact PvP Power is going to have on your effectiveness. "1 PvP Power = 1 Strength vs Players" is easy to get across and understand. "1 PvP Power = 2 Strength in Arenas and Battlegrounds, worthless in dungeons and raids, and 1 Strength in the open world," not so much.

One other thing I should mention based on some other comments in here is that, just like today, PvP Power will be active vs players in any context, not just inside PvP instances. So if you're comparing a PvE and PvP piece of the same item level -- for example, a piece of Conquest gear and a piece of Heroic raid gear -- it should work out something like this:

The PvE item is stronger in PvE instances
The PvP item is stronger in PvP instances
The PvE item is slightly stronger vs creatures in the open world
The PvP item is slightly stronger vs players in the open world

Once again, I need to be clear that this is all early development thinking and anything might change, but our hope is that whatever we end up doing makes things work something like that.

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Commentaire de lankybrit On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me. Commentaire de TickleMeThrall "The PvP item is slightly stronger vs players in the open world"

They forgot the asterisk (*); both items of gear are the same iLevel. Commentaire de s4mourai in world pvp the pvp itmes are just a joke. a heroic dude coming and has the double hp from you. they did watafak more dmg than you, they have the same resilience with you(that the most pathetic part ever) and more more more.

best pathetic example for world pvp is the Timeless Isle with the coin think.

anyway we all know that wow is more pve game than pvp and starting say things and bla bla bla just make me like i cry. my opinion is that pvp need more more more more work and is hard to keep it balanced.

(p.s. and yes i cry. Nerf the freaking mages in pvp). Commentaire de porg1979 Legendary Questline Difficulty-- I think now that we are at the end of mist that blizzard should take some of the quest line out I have my cape on one toon and now trying to get it on 5 alts at the same time its to much of a pain to go though it all over again and again and again Commentaire de Rankkor On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.Commentaire de Pactun Why not remove ilvl from PvP gear (making it unusable in PvE raids etc.) and scale down PvE gear to it's PvP equivalent (much like Challenge Mode dungeons) when you join a BG? Commentaire de jglonek With the legendary quest line.. First, remember that the 3,000 valor was originally 6,000 valor! It got cut around 5.2. Also, because of the way the initial quests were set up you did not get the valor quest until you got all those original sigils, and the valor count started at 0. That was the big issue with me - I had already gotten at least 3,000 valor while having the sigil quests and none of it counted. If the valor quest was available first during those others it would have been fine.

The sigil drop rates were awful, and definitely fell on the "tedious" side of challening vs tedious. Even when they were available in SoO it was still rough. There has to be a way to clean that up. Commentaire de Nathan56798 If they were to make PvP Unusable in a PvE environment. 1. They would have to do the same to PvE gear. 2. If players wanted to do both PvP and PvE, but for example started only PvP then started doing PvE late in the game they would have to start from scratch, Vice Versa, meaning the average player will ONLY do PvE or PvP, and not both. Hence, not a brilliant idea if they want to keep/gain players. But I do think the only Resilience should be on PvP gears, and not just a base, because I myself do both PvE/PvP and I go into my PvE's for World-PvP because they are just so blatantly powerful compared to the PvP gears, I nearly feel bad when I go into TB and destroy people on my Realm that have 2200 Rating and the Highest I've gotten to was 1600's. Commentaire de BosephHeyden The cloak really just didn't feel like a legendary. It still doesn't, mainly because everyone has one. It's basically a raid-necessity now: especially since you can't even do one of the current two (I'm only counting Celestials as one) World Bosses without it. I appreciate that they made the legendary quest line do-able via LFR, but making the droprates in LFR the same as regular raiding seemed stupid. The way they should have done it was given a much lower droprate for the regular LFR bosses, a 100% guaranteed droprate for the last raid boss in LFR (meaning Garrosh and Lei Shen rather than the wing bosses), and made it a 75%-100% drop rate for regular raid difficulty bosses. Because Joe Nobody that spends more time in Goldshire talking with his friends than he does doing LFR and has zero interest in running regular raids does not need a legendary cloak. But the person who goes out of their way to join a raiding guild, read up on each boss, and grinds for VP every week to upgrade...they kinda do. Commentaire de Menardis The legendary cloak was fun and felt good getting an orange after all the years of playing and definitely gave a sense of satisfaction but I have been put off the game somewhat and balked at having to grind through everything again to gear up my alts to have this item since it's such a mandatory item to have now.

The other legendary items have always been good, but you didn't HAVE to own them on every single alt you played to do progress raids with them or get in flexi, nor was it expected of you to have these items if you applied to any guild in the last stage of the expansion. Commentaire de Interest On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.Commentaire de leobolin Why not remove ilvl from PvP gear (making it unusable in PvE raids etc.) and scale down PvE gear to it's PvP equivalent (much like Challenge Mode dungeons) when you join a BG?Commentaire de wilosoft Where did my comment disappear? o.O Commentaire de Alexj To everyone complaining about the legendary questline with the argument it's so much work getting it on your alt...guess what you don't really need it on all your alts even if you raid on them since the biggest gain is that you get to do ordos and you only need one cloak on your account in order to do ordos on all of your characters. We probably have more people in our raid without the cloak than with it and we are progressing yust fine through SoO normal so I can't imagine why anyone would demand you having one when doing flex. And if you're hardcore enough that you raid SoO heroic on more than one character I would assume you're hardcore enough to have been doing the questline on both those characters throughout the patches.

Now that being said I'm not sure I'd want them to have a questline like this again in WoD mostly because it would feel repetetive, I'd rather that they mix and match a little bit with how you acquire your legendaries so that every legendary gets its' own feel to it. Commentaire de MetalPaw My biggest issue with the legendary quest line is the PvP battles we have to fight. I've queued a couple of times with my alliance druid and have lost every single battle so far because everyone was a PvE player and we somehow got matched up against PvP players every time. I think that if this is how Blizzard wants to go, maybe they should create something similar to the individual scenarios and make a PvE battle to gain what is needed. I really don't enjoy playing PvP and I hate it even more now that I am forced to play it yet fail miserably every time. Commentaire de angelofdeath666 On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.Commentaire de SairenRUS On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.Commentaire de Arganonbob My biggest issue with the legendary quest line is the PvP battles we have to fight. I've queued a couple of times with my alliance druid and have lost every single battle so far because everyone was a PvE player and we somehow got matched up against PvP players every time. I think that if this is how Blizzard wants to go, maybe they should create something similar to the individual scenarios and make a PvE battle to gain what is needed. I really don't enjoy playing PvP and I hate it even more now that I am forced to play it yet fail miserably every time.Commentaire de rinkworks On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.Commentaire de Greystar On the legendary quest line. Don't mind the 3000 valor part at all. It's a nice break from running LFR time after time for sigils. In fact, don't mind any part of the legendary quest line. It seems fine to me.

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