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Commentaire de Redily

Petite clarification en traduisant quelques commentaires anglais pour ceux qui se demandent à quoi sert cette monnaie (breloque) :
C'est une breloque servant à avoir un extra loot sur certains boss de raid, mais surtout elle permet également de tenter d'obtenir un autre loot sur les World Boss (Sha de la colère, Galleon,...) dont les montures que ces World Boss lootent.

A l'heure actuelle, vous ne pouvez en avoir qu'un maximum de 20 par personnage sans limite hebdomadaire d'obtention.
Elles s'obtiennent sans grande difficulté avec le contenu de l'île du tonnerre (butin de quêtes journalières, élites rares) ainsi que le contenu du scénario Citadelle du Roi-tonnerre où il faut ouvrir des coffres.

Attention cependant ! Vous ne pouvez utiliser une breloque qu'une fois par semaine pour obtenir du butin supplémentaire sur les World Boss (ex : si vous l'utilisez sur le Sha de la colère, vous ne pourrez pas vous en servir sur Nalak ou Galleon pendant cette même semaine, il faudra attendre le reset du mercredi).

Commentaire de Shaerazade

Il semblerait que l'on obtienne jusqu'à 10 de ces breloques sur le premier rare tué de l'ile du tonnerre. Vous pouvez également en obtenir plusieurs dans les coffres de l'île. En revanche, pour contredire le message de Redily, j'ai pu jeter un sceau sur Nalak et sur le Sha durant la même semaine.

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Commentaire de Helza

Can be used to buy extra loot roles in raids (and dungeon's?)

Commentaire de jmcpherson

so is this something that when MoP hits will your current justice points that you have convert over to thsi "elder charm of good fortune?"

Commentaire de Zerinad

If you have one or more Charms of Good Fortune, then whenever you kill a raid boss (in Raid Finder, normal or heroic) then a new UI window will pop up asking if you want to spend your Charm on a bonus roll. If you click yes, then you’ll instantly get another shot at that boss’s loot table! You will always win something from the bonus roll, such as a pile of gold, gems, or flasks. However, you also have a small (but not miniscule) chance of receiving a piece of epic loot. As with the personal loot system, the item will always be something designed for your current spec.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4736886/

Commentaire de Sentro

They are received from collecting 90 lesser charms of good fortune which are quest rewards from a lot of daily quests in Pandaria (always one or two per quest. Most level 90 dailies reward them). You then have to turn them in at a NPC in the capital of your faction in Pandaria (Alliance: Shrine of seven stars, Horde: Shrine of two moons, both located in the vale of eternal blossoms) to get three elder charms. As stated before the elder charms can be used to receive additional loot from a boss of MoP. It doesn't matter which sort of boss it is; you can use it on everyone, independent from instance mode or whether it is a worldboss or not.

When you kill a boss while carrying at least one elder charm of good fortune in your currency tab you will be asked to do a second roll. If you accept your elder charm will be consumed and one of the following two events will occur:
1. You receive a possible drop of the loottable from the boss, dependent on your class and active talents.
2. You will get a bag which always contains gold. There could be also some gems, flasks or bufffood inside.

Edit: Updated.

Commentaire de 984314

* From Dev Watercooler. Explaining the new Mists of Pandaria looting system. (Scroll to bottom list for MoP looting in LFR).

Personal Loot

Here is how looting works in today’s Raid Finder groups:

The boss dies.
The game randomly decides which items off of the boss’s loot table drop.
The group rolls Need, Greed, or Pass on each item.
If you were raiding with a group of friends, you might discuss who should get each item. Even if you ultimately lost, hopefully you are happy that a friend got an upgrade and that your group as a whole is now a little bit stronger.
But if you’re in Raid Finder, you are quite possibly alone with a bunch of strangers.
So, if you can Need, you probably do, because there’s no time for discussion, some of the rollers may be AFK, and even if you piss someone off, you aren’t likely to have to pay the social cost of doing so since you’ll never see them again.
The highest roll wins.
Drama ensues.

Here’s how the new Raid Finder system will work in Mists of Pandaria:

The boss dies.
The game automatically decides who won some loot, and gives those players a spec-appropriate item.
Some players may still get mad, but hopefully they are mad at the laws of probability and not at the rest of the raid.

So, realistically, that’s really all you need to know to understand how it'll play out in-game. For those looking for more detail, here's what's happening behind the scenes:

The boss dies.
Each player has a chance to win loot, independent of the other players.
For each player who wins loot, the game randomly assigns them a spec-appropriate item from that boss’s loot table. This subset contains only items that the game (meaning the designers in this case) thinks are appropriate for your class and current spec.
Notice that you aren’t rolling Need or Greed. You don’t have an option to Pass. The game just says “Take this.”
You can’t trade this item, or that would defeat the purpose of removing the social pressure on groups of strangers. If you don’t want the item, you are free to vendor, delete, or disenchant it.

Commentaire de TheStatman

There is a limit of 10 (20 in 5.2) Elder charms on the currency tab.

~~This is to prevent people hoarding them in the down weeks between raid tiers to get a lot of shots at bonus loot when the new tier starts.~~

~~Edit: as of 5.1 - You can have 1,000,000 Lesser charms on your currency tab.~~

Edit: as of 5.2 - There is now no cap on Lesser charms at all.

Commentaire de Scribbinge

From a recent blue tweet:

Q: Could you clarify about Charms of Good Fortune. Only usable in LFR or usable on normal/heroic mode raid bosses too?
A: All. Boss dies. You decide whether to use a charm for bonus loot. Normal boss loot is distributed however your group does it.

source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2928-Zone-Previews-Blue-Tweets-MoP-Design-Interview-Curse-Weekly-Roundup

Commentaire de Interest

Since it's not clear, you can use these on World Bosses (Galleon and Sha of Anger) too. Have fun getting some extra loot.

Commentaire de Xamnation

I have used 2 of my elder charms so far on Sha of Anger.
The first kill: No loot, got cache of sha touched gold, used charm, won DK dps tier legs.
The second kill: No loot, no cache, used charm, got another DK dps tier legs.

My guess is that as long as you have a charm, you can take that double dip for extra loot regardless of how many times you have killed that boss in the week.

Going to use my third token later today on another Anger kill to see what happens.

Commentaire de 496028

Is the loot you get class or specc dependant?

Commentaire de 463376

We did Mogushan Vaults last night, had some issues with a tank who we ended up replacing after we decided he was never going to get the mechanics right so only got 1st boss down and 3 attempts on 2nd, but I think there were 7 of us in the 10m who used elder charms on the 1st boss. We didn't get any kind of bag, we all got an item straight off. I love these! I'll update tomorrow if we all get items off 2nd boss from using them. It could just be really good RNG.

Commentaire de 440339

Make sure to check the loot that dropped for your guild before using your coin. It's very important to note that you only get a shot at the current boss' loot table, so if the piece dropped for your guild that you wanted (and you know you'll be getting the loot), don't waste an Elder Charm and end up winning the same piece that dropped.

Better yet, make a list of boss' and what you need from each. When the boss goes down, check your list versus the loot and decide if there is anything else that you could use an Elder Charm for.

Commentaire de jonissolis

The quest where you get these can only be done once per week, reseting together with the raids (Wednesdays on europe servers).

Commentaire de 52800

Can anyone confirm if these allow you a second shot at the mounts bosses drop?

I know Sha of Anger, Galleon, and Elegon all drop mounts. If anyone uses a charm and receives a mount let us know.

Commentaire de 125795

Will we be seeing many LFR where people secretly change specs before a pull to get a chance to roll on that loot table? I smell warning addons to notify when people change specs coming soon.

Signing as tank and swapping before pull, would most likely cause a wipe.
Signing as healer and swapping to tank/dps before a pull, wouldn't always cause a wipe.
Signing as dps, and changing to healer/tank would most likely work, but I don't see the point, since dps queues are a lot longer.

So basicly, watch out for healers who change specs right before pulls in LFR. :-)

Commentaire de MatteoG

Killed sha for the 4th time this week, 1st time didnt use coin, 2nd and 3rd I did so I had one coin left, went to use it today and it didn't offer me an extra roll despite doing so 2 day earlier, possibly patched

Commentaire de Bonellia

I have won 2x Hunter tier 14 gloves with using my token.
I saw 2x need button and it happened so fast.
When everything was finished, I got 2x same tier item in my bag.
Gants du tueur yaungol

Commentaire de slumber

i used one of these after my guild (+ pugs) did sha of anger. i was on my priest, specced shadow--i never heal in PVE. when i rolled, i won legs, and i was really excited... but then a few minutes later, as i was running to turn in the quest for boots or whatever, i realized it had given me healing legs instead of shadow.

i submitted a ticket and i'm waiting for a reponse (and, fingers crossed, a spec-appropriate replacement). i'm hoping it's a bug, since everyone on this page is insisting that the gear you get is spec-specific. i don't think i've even switched to my disc spec since before MoP hit. ):

ETA: part of the response to my ticket: "I had a chance to go over the issue here and I would like to direct you to the people who can take your feedback into account.This is not a bug as it does not take spec into consideration." so there you go, the loot you have a chance of getting from your elder charms isn't spec-specific. awesome. ):

ETA 2: this has since been updated as a bug, and has supposedly been fixed (as seen in patch notes)! hooray! unfortunately, they won't replace any misappropriated gear, as they "cannot verify" the spec you are in for any given fight.

Commentaire de jeremy8000

Is the gear ilvl awarded by the bonus roll specific to the level of difficulty (LFR/Normal/Heroic)? If so, seeing as how I don't plan on farming endless supplies of these, I certainly don't plan on wasting them on LFR kills.

Commentaire de 807858

This loot from these is NOT limited to your current spec. I used one during a Sha kill yesterday where I was disc and the bonus roll gave me shadow tier legs. They were mistaken when they said that the loot would be appropriate for your current spec.

Commentaire de 1038308

Killed SHA in pug at level 87 got sha touched gold, at level 90 with 3 charms killed in pug's twice but never received any bonus roll. Will wait till tuesday reset to see if this happens again.

Updated: I never rolled on any boss, that was the problem. Did LFR today and rolled 3 times, gold twice and shoulders on last roll.

Commentaire de iSnowNT

Can these be used for past raids also? Like Black Temple or Icecrown Citadel? I know the item merely says:

Possession of the Elder Charm of Good fortune allows its lucky owner to risk a coin to receive a bonus reward from raid encounters.

Edit: Ran an Icecrown Citadel raid earlier today. The extra loot window did not come up. So no, these do not work for past raids. Yet?

Commentaire de 1044982

is the quest giver bugged? im trying to turn in the 90 lesser charms but he isnt giving me the option to do so.. I know you can do it only once a week, but its been over a week since i last turned in the first set.. anyone else having trouble with this?

Commentaire de 61125

Just a heads up for people who have done LFR, and wants to go back in so they can use these charms against the boss. the roll will only be for Gold, you won't be able to get loot so don't waste them!

Commentaire de eboras

Can confirm that you do get loot from elder charms even if you have already killed the boss.
Did 1st run on RF on Wednesday (full clear) and a second one today and even though i did not get normal loot (cause i was locked) i got 2 items from using the charms.

Commentaire de 1045920

These definitely work nicely. Dropped Sha of Anger world boss 10/11 and won a PvP neck, hit the bonus roll (with an Elder Charm of Fortune), and BAM! I won the tier legs - plate dps (my main spec). Turned in the quest reward for 476 boots, then bought a JP and VP piece for a 5 pc upgrade in an hour.

Commentaire de kirunoku

Just to clarify, you CAN NOT use multiple tokens in the same week on a raid boss you've already downed.

Just confirmed this a few minutes ago. Every guildy that was in group for Sha of Anger that had previously downed him already this week did NOT receive a chance to use another Elder Charm for bonus loot when downed a second time in the same week.

I could not find solid info on this prior to trying, so I'm posting it here.

~~I'm assuming this goes for LFR and normal raid bosses as well.~~

Edit: This indeed only applies to Sha of Anger. You should be able to use more than one Elder Charm a week on every other world boss and in LFR.(##RESPBREAK##)12##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##

Commentaire de Ragnarzero

A Guildie (Warrior) Just ran LFR a 2nd time, on the 2nd half and used a token on Elegon, and Got Starcrusher Gauntlets, At this current date/time you can use an elder charm a second time and get loot!

Commentaire de 1047247

It would appear that these charms are luckier than expected, out of 6 rolls I won 4 items one of which was an epic weapon, very useful when gearing for 470 raids.

Commentaire de bogart1

Better known as "Elder Charm of 38 Gold".

Commentaire de 1017234

New Info about the current LFR

•It requires ilvl 460 to queue up for both parts of the zone. All six LFR bosses have ilvl 476 loot.
•The first LFR run for each segment rewards 90. So by running both segments of LFR once, you could earn 180 per week. Rerunning a segment of LFR grants 45.
•You can run the same LFR multiple times per week and use a Elder Charm of Good Fortune every time.

Commentaire de Evenuel

I can sadly confirm that if You downed Sha de la colère this week, a second kill won't let You use Elder Charm of Good Fortune, even though I haven't used it first time...
And I was hoping for some chance of loot while helping others even if I've done the boss... Is it the same with other boss kills? Comments are very different on this page, so I asume there has been hotfixes?

Commentaire de MontydaGnome

I've gotten 12 of these since launch. I've used every single one of them and all gold. I'd wager the % for them to actually give loot would be 15% or less. Either that or I'm just that unlucky, cause I've not seen 1 piece of loot from LFR either lol.

Commentaire de 200795

I like the idea of these, but getting a mere 28 gold for 15 daily quests?
Should atleast give some Valor if you don't win an item

Commentaire de ssdisfaster

You can use those more than one per week on the same bosses in LFR.(unlike world bosses) However, you have to reque and kill the boss again to get second extra loot.

Commentaire de Sketti11

Get loot. Toss a coin. Get lucky you might get another piece of loot. Possibility at two pieces.

Commentaire de zwuckel

You are able to use more than one of these charms on LFR bosses each week.

Commentaire de Fallan

If the cap is 10 why can't we turn in the weekly quest for the gold coins more then once a week? basically you are only allowed 3 gold coins a week. What about the players who do more then 1 raid a week? I'm sittin on over 400 lesser charms and they just keep adding up.

Commentaire de thatmikeguy

Does anyone know if the maximum possible someone could spend of these in a week would be 13?

Commentaire de 555435

It makes sense to *either* only let you get 3 of these each week, *or* limit you to having 10 in your possession, but not both.

Having both limitations in place concurrently is gating overkill.

Commentaire de 1052799

It is possible to use the charm and receive the same item. I downed Feng, received Amulette des Sept malédictions, rolled because I was feeling lucky, and received the Amulet again.

Commentaire de 786513

Don't try to use these when you're mind controlled, stunned or incapacitated in any other way. It will just tell you "you can't do that right now" and close the window.

Commentaire de 565560

Tip of the Day: If doing a world boss, like Sha of Anger, you will not be able to use a charm if you are on a corpse run.

The Raid Leader had instructed us to release and run if we died. I did, but the boss went down when I was on the way. No charm roll was offered. I filed a GM ticket and was told that being on a corpse run makes you ineligible.

Commentaire de Sidiouss

Blizzard and users.

- Psst hey did u want to take an item?
- Oh sure
- Give me one Elder Charm hm ok here your 38g
- But you said u want to take an item where is my item?
- In yourself young raider in yourself..
- $#$%

Commentaire de 10drxtc

And how do you turn in the 90 coins as their is no one in the temple? their is some fighting outside though..

Commentaire de 834097

I have ran multiple dungeons and this UI, never pops to give me the option to use my charms. What am I doing wrong. I finally have some elder charms to use but can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong. Can anyone give me some suggestions?

Commentaire de Tempezt

ATENTION

PS! sorry for my wrong writing

OK here is the ting from my own calculating during my Looking for raid runs whit these charms.

i started of whit 6 charms
i was doing nice dps and i dint get anny loot even when i used my charms after bosses was killed why could that be ?
so i tryed again and again but still dint get anny loot so i had 1 charm left .

when we got to a new boss in msv i tought hmmmm wait up what if i dont give it all in for my dps what if i work on my activity only and spamming all the buttons i can find , hmmm ok lets give it a try

quess what i got my first loot a trinket , so then i decided to to use my last charm and i got my first loot from that to saddly it got the same trinket from the charm as i got from the boss,

so then next week i decided to only focus my activity on all other bosses to se if that helped me to recive loots and yes it did i got in total 4 loots from bosses that week whiout using anny charms and oly focusing my activity done ,

and the next week i did the same i got 7 loots only that week only focusing my activity whit 0 charms.

and i still do this in lfr on bosses i need loot on.

so my opinion is that the charms is a scam , and the loot system is not correct why do i need to focus my activity instead of having funn and do my dps in lfr ? why do i get loot that i already have when im trying to get the loot i dont have?

this week i got my secound tier shoulders in lfr , and that is the worst shoulders and tier for a fury dps in the game , i have my other tier shoulders for my os as tank , it realy pissed me of that i could not trade away my secound tier to another group member that needed it, instead of selling it to a vendor ....

so yes this i probly something that not all players know about , probly something i should not go out and tell in public but yes i do this coz i have experienced this way to get loot , and blizzard or no one else can be mad at me for going out whit this , they should rather fix this so all players can get loot as a roll system and if they have some of the gear that drops they cant roll on it again , the same for the tiers if u que as a dps and u have that tier that drops you cant roll again for the same tier if u are a dps , then u need to que for tank or healer to recive a new tier item.

So that dont get loot try this out it realy helps be sure to be fast on all coldowns that is and all other buttons , and happy farming to all of you :)

Commentaire de 972646

I know is a long shot but It would be really awesome if these worked on every single raid in the game... I mean, imagine being able to have an extra shot at Invincible's reins, or the legendary Warglaives...

One extra shot at mounts, gear, etc per week wouldn't hurt anyone... Come on Blizz, make it happen! :D

Commentaire de pmakaro

Other wise known in my guild as Charms of False Hope or Charms of 28 Gold

Commentaire de perculia

On the 5.2 PTR, someone tweeted a picture showing that an Elder Charm was inside Cache de saccage-soleil, a reward for doing some Sunreaver Onslaught dailies.

https://twitter.com/Squishei/status/292533291242889217/photo/1/large

Commentaire de LionsMike

Has Blizzard come up with any good use for the lesser charms. I am accumulating hundreds on all my toons. I have the ceiling of 9 elder charms on each (I could turn 90 lesser into the tenth elder but why) I keep hoping that we will get something useful to do with them. I have not heard anything about a cap counton them and I hope there is not one until there is a place or method to spend them.

Commentaire de TheStatman

The cap on these will change from 10 up to 20 in 5.2.

Commentaire de Psiihosoft

Before month or so on Gara'jal the Spiritbinder heroic kill used Elder Charm of Good Fortune and got plate healing wrist. Before few days used Elder Charm of Good Fortune again on heroic Gara'jal the Spiritbinder kill and got again same healing plate wrist (still no shield drop...) which i even had equiped during that fight. Dont know if system is bugged or just some1 without sence for fair and logic made it. Btw vendor price of that wrist is even smaller than gold reward from "unlucky" usage of Elder Charm of Good Fortune. So if u are missing only 1 item from boss which can drop multiple items for u, your chance for get "correct" item is still same like on first kill.

In short lines: U can get double item from same boss using Elder Charm of Good Fortune even u still missing some another item for your spec from that boss loot table.
Sorry for my english, hope ppl can get point from this post.

Commentaire de 747720

I've just been told that the chance of loot when using a bonus roll is based on your contribution throughout the fight as well as the loot RNG threshold.

Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?

Commentaire de rayramanoray

These are now available from the Thunder King's Citadel (loot grabbing) scenario on the 5.2 PTR, these have a chance to drop from the common red chests as shown in this video here.

Commentaire de Tuckletuts

In 5.2 these will only be able to be used in Tier 14 loot rolls (msv, hof, toes, sha, galleon) but the drop chance for Tier 14 loot will be increased, making it easier to gear those alts. Mogu Charm of Fate will be the new currency, which will be used for Tier 15. Luckily, these MCF are also purchased with Lesser Charm of Good Fortune so you CAN stockpile them (although you can still only conver 90:3 once per week)

Commentaire de perculia

For Patch 5.2:

While Charms won’t be converted, Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure will no longer be used to purchase Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune in patch 5.2. Instead Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure will purchase Rune du destin mogu. They’ll be purchasable in the same way; once a week, 90 Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure can be converted to 3 Rune du destin mogu via a quest in your faction’s Shrine. Rune du destin mogu will be usable for bonus rolls on 5.2 raid and world bosses only. Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune will continue to be used for bonus rolls on 5.0 raids and world bosses, and will now be acquired as item drops by killing enemies in the new 5.2 Thundering Isle outdoor zone.

To clarify where to find these charms now that 5.2 is live, you have a chance to get them from:

Completing dailies that reward Trésor arcanique or Cache de saccage-soleil.
Killing mobs summoned by incantations at the Court of Bones, like Incantation de Haqin > Haqin des cent Lances.
Opening treasure chests located around the island, Trésor du roi-tonnerre.
Opening treasure chests while completing Citadelle du Roi-tonnerre.
Killing rare spawns, such as the ones needed for Les champions de Lei Shen.

They also stack to 20 and there is no weekly limit.(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##perculia##DELIM##

Commentaire de Screamhell

One question if some1 knows the answer? Will the Elder Charms Of Good Fortune reset in 5.2 if u caped them in 5.1?

Commentaire de 249316

As of patch 5.2 you can now use Elder Charms of good fortune to purchase items from the Kirin Tor Offensive Quartermaster. I assume it's the same for horde with the sunreaver quartermaster but i can not confirm. The items purchased can be used in the Troves of the Thunder king solo Senario

Commentaire de swordstrike

Make sure you don't make the same mistake I made... if you have the quest (because you didn't finish it) from before the patch. DROP THE QUEST and pick up the new one. Otherwise you will waste 90 lesser charms for the old coins. It will not automatically give you the new currency if you have the old quest.

Commentaire de phreakwently

Elder Charms will now be acquired as item drops by killing enemies in the new 5.2 Thundering Isle outdoor zone. It doesn't appear like there is a vendor any more

Commentaire de Moarpewpew

I guess I was one of the lucky few ( in the new 5.2 LFR) every spin (which I had enough Elder coins to spin on each boss) I got epic gear sent my toon from 480- 486 just out of one raid and ended up with three cheevo's too boot :D just wish we could cash the lesser ones in more often (once a week just isn't enough I have hundreds of them and not elder ones left )

Commentaire de 843605

Ok, now they are almost useless. I am capped on 20 and can't spend anymore. I've bought all I could from the vendor, Gotta find another use for these Blizz.

Commentaire de swordstrike

I just got an idea... they should make them BoA since it's for older content :-p would help gear alts faster, but only give them a chance at extra loot so it wouldn't be over powered.

Commentaire de sirnuggleton

The best way to obtain these now are from the new solo scenario Citadelle du Roi-tonnerre, which you get into by obtaining Clé du palais de Lei Shen

I got 15 in one run on a fresh 90!

Commentaire de Gervahlt

If you get one or more of these in an Arcane Trove or a Fortuitous Coffer when you have the new max of 20 (as of 5.2), you will be unable to loot the Elder Charm of Good Fortune, but the container will remain in your inventory until you use one and have room under the cap to loot it.

Commentaire de Shadowpint

I have been to raids with several elder charms in my currency tab but I never got a chance for an extra roll. How come?

Commentaire de Blacktank

So....I have a char, just turned level 90 and I want elder charms. But since it's a low geared retridin it sucks to do Isle of thunder dailies and get a chance for a key. How am I supposed to get these elder charms?

Commentaire de 775714

Can somebody please enlighten me as to why have these been capped to 20?

Yes, sure, you can buy goodies for the single scenario with them and keep yourself below cap - and then carry these goodies (6 different ones!) around in your bags until you may need some? What kind of random player grieving is this?

I'm constantly having 1-3 boxes containing Elder Charms in my bags, that I cannot loot because I'm at the cap.
Cannot loot mobs because I'm at the cap.
I'm supposed to run to the Sunreavers 3x per day and buy something to further clutter my bags, in addition to bananas and spitons and punch radishes and cooking apprentices and seed bags and summoning stones and keys and god forbid it's a world event underway because I would have to vendor my gear in order to carry the (insert everyone's favorite expletive here) around.

Duh.

Commentaire de 1116448

FYI wanted to post this since I have not seen it yet but. I have been getting off spec items during raid finder. I have received a fist weapon for assassination on my rogue despite the fact that I am assassination/ sub atm. Fist weapons are combat weapons altho you could offhand it on your sub spec but you cannot use it as assassination due to mutilate requiring daggers. With that said if this is just another shot at a roll then we can assume it wont matter what spec is active or even present at the time of roll.

Commentaire de Sineburst

with the release of Clé du palais de Lei Shen I've been doing this scenario every week testing out the best strategy to gather these charms, I am now confident enough to say that emptying the first room to your best ability and grabbing the chests in the pass over between the first room and the open area in the second room would receive the best result in amounts of charms you get.

Doing this the least amount of charms I've gotten is 11 and the maximum so far is 17 in one run. The average is at about 14

EDIT: I guess I was correct, after a few attempts and as of 5.4.2 (if something was changed), I managed to obtain 20 charms in every run grabbing everything I could manage in the first room; This resulted in way more chests than I could even dream off and if it wasn't for the cap of 20 charms I would probably have gotten 30-40 charms that run :D

Commentaire de 1126026

how many do i need for a bonus roll?

Commentaire de angelzhizni

When is blizzard going to make these stackable beyond 20 so we're not all stuck carrying around Fortuitous Coffers forever? Should be like the Lesser Charm of Good Fortune.

Commentaire de 223389

I have 1197 Lesser Charms from doing lots of pet battles. So now I'm starting to gear up and now I find out that I can only use these in the highest raid tier. I want to be able to get Elder Charms. My Item Level is 459, 1 short of the lowest raid tier.

Commentaire de alkyd312

You can use your Elder Charms in LFR several times on the same boss until your loot drops even if you have already killed him.

Commentaire de 1122544

As of 5.4 they can be purchased for 500 Points de justice at Commandant Lo Ping

Commentaire de Hannibal08

Since patch 5.4, I think these now guarantee a loot when you use them in the original raids (Mogushan Vaults, Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring).

Maybe this is common knowledge, but when I mentioned it in a LFR group last night many of the players told me I was absolutely wrong and no one backed up my statement. It's possible that I was extremely fortunate, but since 5.4 I have had 100% success with elder charm rolls on these raids. I haven't used any in Throne of Thunder, so I can't say how those are working, but it sure seems to me (over 20 charms used across three characters with ZERO resulting in gold) that Blizzard increased the loot chance to 100% in these last days of the expansion.

And to be clear I am only talking about Elder Charms of Good Fortune here, not the ToT or SoO bonus rolls tokens. And I've also only done LFR, so this may not apply to normal or heroic versions of the first three raids.

What has your experience been? Has anyone gotten gold using an Elder Charm of Good Fortune since 5.4? Was I insanely lucky or was this done to limit RNG pain in raids that are obsolete for the most part and are only now needed to gear a select few slots (like weapons) before moving on?

Commentaire de GoRozZo

You can get a cap (20 pieces) of Elder Charm of Good Fortune from the chests in Citadelle du Roi-tonnerre. This video shows the fastest route for farming big chests and how to get a cap fo Charms in 5 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp6lX5-WMtg

Commentaire de Sponsz

As of 6.02 they can also be found in those rare chests on Isle of Thunder. Opened one today and got 10 of them. But I guess it is not guaranteed to get some.

Commentaire de Meagogo

Since its not mentioned in the notes:

As of 6.0.3 these can still drop from opening the weekly Trésor du roi-tonnerre as well as from Coffre inespéré which also drop from the same weekly Trésor du roi-tonnerre.

Commentaire de Owl72

Since patch 6.0 you can buy them from Commandant Lo Ping

1 Elder Charm of Good Fortune for 20 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune.

Commentaire de Slaythar

It's fixed now, but you can still buy them with macro if you'd ever need.

You can buy them with this macro:
/run BuyMerchantItem(1,1)

~~After patch 6.2 trying to buy them gives me LUA error.~~

~~Hardresetted my UI, disabled all addons, resetted client. Next step is reinstall game.~~
Asked friend to try buy them and few random people at vendor all saying they are getting LUA error aswell.

It is Blizzard side error.

Going to fill bug report.

Commentaire de jjanchan

***LEGION UPDATE: The new bonus roll currency for Legion launch is Sceau du destin brisé. Also, Legion will increase the cap for Sceau du destin inévitable from 10 to 20. This has preemptively been updated below.***

This is one of the extra roll currencies that were first introduced in Mists of Pandaria. It allows you to roll (at a cost of 1 currency per roll) for an extra chance at loot on certain world, raid or dungeon bosses.

This extra loot is granted directly to the person rolling and is not part of the group/party's loot for that boss. The majority of the time the roll does not yield loot - when this is the case, gold is granted instead. Certain currencies also can grant pets or mounts as part of the bonus loot - this will vary depending on boss (a list of mounts and pets you can bonus roll for is listed later in this comment).

There is protection for bad luck on bonus rolls. As per a blue post:

Whenever you use a bonus roll and you don’t get any loot, your chance of getting loot on the next roll will increase. This increased probability won’t be reset until some loot is awarded, and this is independent of the boss that is being killed.
The bad luck streak protection will carry over and continue to increase the probability from boss to boss and instance to instance and won't reset until you get some loot.

For all currencies, World Bosses will only allow a single roll a week. This can be on any kill - if you kill a boss more than once and pass on rolling the first time, you will still have the option of doing so on a subsequent kill that week.
For most currencies you can kill bosses in a single or multiple lockouts/difficulties (kill a boss on both Heroic and Normal, or a Heroic boss twice) to also get a bonus roll chance EACH time. For example, you can kill Gruul on Heroic difficulty twice, and while you will be able to get loot directly from the boss only once, you can bonus roll both times for extra chances at loot.
The above is NOT true for Mythic raids however - those lockouts prevent you from doing multiple bosses in one week.

The currencies listed can be found on the currency tab in your character screen. Below is a table summarizing the currency types, including sources for each.
NOTE: NPC locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

Legion
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sceau du destin brisé	Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Archimage Lan’dalock (Dalaran - Legion) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	1000	2000	4000
Order Resources	1000	2000	4000

Palais Sacrenuit
Le Cauchemar d’émeraude
Mythic dungeons
Legion World Bosses:
Ana-Mouz
Calamir
Drugon le Givre-Sang
Débris
Balmorgue
Levantus
Na’zak le démon
Nithogg
Shar’thos
The Soultakers
J’im le Flétri

Warlords of Draenor
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sceau du destin trempé	A) Sold by vendors: Traque-aube Krisek (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Corborateur Thelnaas (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Déroute-destin Seress (Stormshield) - 300g Déroute-destin Tiklal (Warspear) - 300g *NOTE - Cost from vendors in Tanaan vary with reputation level with Ordre des Éveillés, with lowest cost being 240g at Exalted reputation. B) Obtained from garrison missions: Drov le Dévastateur Rukhmar	Cognefort Fonderie des Rochenoires Draenor World Bosses: Drov le Dévastateur Tarlna l’Éternel Rukhmar	20
Sceau du destin inévitable	A) One per week can be obtained from Fortin nain / Usine de guerre Niveau 3 in your garrison. Speak to Grun’lek (H)/Kristen Forgepierre (A) to obtain your weekly seal. *NOTE - This seal counts as 1 of the maximum 3 seals you can obtain per week. B) Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Déroute-destin Tiklal (Warspear)/Déroute-destin Seress (Stormshield) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	500	1000	2000
Garrison Resources	1000	2000	4000
Apexis Crystals	500	1000	2000

*NOTE - If you already obtained 1 from your Fortin nain / Usine de guerre Niveau 3, only 2 more can be obtained for currency that week.

C) One seal obtainable for completing the Timewalking Bonus Event quest Un passage brûlant dans les limbes du temps (during Burning Crusade Timewalking, Un passage glacial dans les limbes du temps (during Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking) or Un passage brisé dans les limbes du temps (during Cataclysm Timewalking). The seals are in addition to the 3 seals per week otherwise obtainable.

Citadelle des Flammes infernales
Tanaan Jungle World Boss:
Seigneur suprême Kazzak
Mythic Dungeons

Mists of Pandaria
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune	A) Sold by Commandant Lo Ping in Townlong Steppes for the cost of 20 Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure each. Use the following macro to purchase them quickly and easily: /run BuyMerchantItem(1,1) B) Dropped by various rare spawns and summoned mobs on the Isle of Thunder.	Caveaux Mogu’shan Cœur de la peur Terrasse Printanière Pandaria World Bosses: Galion Sha de la colère	20
Rune du destin mogu	Sold by Tisse-brume Ai on the Timeless Isle for the cost of 1000 Pièce du Temps figé each.	Trône du tonnerre Isle of Thunder World Boss: Nalak Isle of Giants World Boss: Oondasta	20
Sceau de guerre	Weekly quest which grants 3 seals for the cost of 50 Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure total. Les sceaux de guerre, available from Ancien Liao, ground floor in Shrine of the Two Moons Les sceaux de guerre, available from Ancienne Lin, ground floor of Shrine of the Seven Stars	Siège d’Orgrimmar Timeless Isle World Bosses: Chi Ji Xuen Yu’lon Niuzao Ordos	20

Below I have compiled some data on pets, mounts and other drops from bosses (both World and Raid bosses).
The "Bonus Roll" column notes whether the item in question is obtainable from a bonus roll (note that you can USE a bonus roll on all bosses, but you will not necessarily be able to get certain pets and mounts on the bonus roll).
NOTE: World Boss locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

MOUNTS
Mount	Source	Bonus Roll Mount	Currency
Rênes de serpent-nuage astral	Elegon Raid Boss Caveaux Mogu’shan Normal, Heroic	No	-
Selle du fils de Galion	Galion World Boss Valley of the Four Winds	Yes	Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune
Rênes de serpent-nuage céleste onyx	Sha de la colère World Boss Kun-Lai Summit	Yes	Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune
Rejeton d'Horridon	Horridon Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre Normal, Heroic	No	-
Couvée de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre Normal, Heroic	No	-
Rênes de serpent-nuage de cobalt fulminant	Nalak World Boss Isle of Thunder	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Rênes de navrecorne primordial cobalt	Oondasta World Boss Isle of Giants	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Mastodonte kor'kron	Garrosh Hurlenfer Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar Mythic	No	-
Destructeur sabot-de-fer	Main-Noire Raid Boss Fonderie des Rochenoires Mythic	No	-
Faucon des flèches solaire	Rukhmar World Boss Spires of Arak	No	-
Annihilateur en gangracier	Archimonde Raid Boss Citadelle des Flammes infernales Mythic	No	-
Noyau de brasier infernal	Gul'dan Raid Boss Palais Sacrenuit Normal, Heroic, Mythic	No	-
Noyau de flammes dévorantes	Gul'dan Raid Boss Palais Sacrenuit Mythic	No	-

PETS
Pet	Source	Bonus Roll Pet	Currency
Drop: Navrecorne pygmée Pet: Navrecorne pygmée	Horridon Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Drop: Sablon vivant Pet: Sablon vivant	Council of Elders Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre LFR	Yes*	Rune du destin mogu *NOTE: In Normal or Heroic mode, this drops from Elémentaire des sables trash mobs and cannot be bonus rolled.
Drop: Bébé de Ji Kun Pet: Bébé de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Drop: Goutte tremblante Pet: Fluide vivant	Primordius Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre ONLY LFR	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Drop: Goutte tremblante sombre Pet: Horreur visqueuse	Primordius Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre ONLY Normal and Heroic	No	-
Drop: Fils d'Animus Pet: Fils d’Animus	Sombre animus Raid Boss Trône du tonnerre LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Rune du destin mogu
Drop: Sha-ton gluant Pet: Sha-ton gluant	Sha de l’orgueil Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar ONLY LFR and Normal	Yes	Sceau de guerre
Drop: Gouttelette d'Y'Shaarj Pet: Gouttelette d’Y’Shaarj	Sha de l’orgueil Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar ONLY Normal, Heroic and Mythic	Yes	Sceau de guerre
Drop: Bombinette Boîte-Noire Pet: Bombinette Boîte-Noire	Ingé-siège Boîte-Noire Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sceau de guerre
Drop: Kovok Pet: Kovok	Paragons of the Klaxxi Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sceau de guerre
Drop: Gardien de nid corrompu Pet: Gardien de nid corrompu	Seigneur de l’ombre Iskar Raid Boss Citadelle des Flammes infernales LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sceau du destin inévitable

MISCELLANEOUS
Drop	Source	Bonus Roll	Currency
Trésor du chaman kor'kron (contains Kor'kron Dark Shaman Armor)	Kor'kron Dark Shaman Raid Boss Siège d’Orgrimmar Normal, Heroic, Mythic ONLY drops for Shamans	No	-

Commentaire de Tantrevalles

Just want to point out that you can still get these from Arcane Troves that are rewarded to you from doing Dailies. Picked up two such today. Also, rare spawns on the Throne of Thunder island still drop them.

Commentaire de murphymurph

Maybe it's just me but the Elder charm drop rate is significantly lower. I've killed 6 rares on 3 toons, opened two chests and summoned two of the rare elites. Prior to 7.0 every one of those used to give about 6-10 coins for first kill and 1-2 afterwards. Today I got 0 or 1 for every kill or chest. Extremely frustrating if you're farming coins for alts to roll on the sha/galleon mounts.

Commentaire de Volcanpower

Using this charm seems to always give you a piece of spec-appropriate gear now. I've used 8 of these and gotten 8 pieces of loot.

Commentaire de Eddafred

If you're farming Galion/Sha de la colère weekly on numerous characters for a shot at their mounts, I found a nice way to make farming Elder Charms a little less annoying.
Head to the Court of Bones area of Isle of Thunder, and AoE down mobs until you get one of the incantations (Ex: Incantation de Haqin), and summon/defeat them.
They're guaranteed to drop a Coffre inespéré, which gives 1-3 Elder Charms, potentially offsetting/eliminating the need to farm Breloque de bonne fortune inférieure on your alts.
Alternatively, you can try searching for a Trésor du roi-tonnerre, which also drops the Coffer. You can loot them once a week per character.

Commentaire de Sarthorius

For post WoD expansion characters (100+ lvl) I found it that the Timeless Isle is still the best way to farm for these, via the Lesser ones. Since the Lesser Charm's cap is non-existent for most needs, you can farm thousands of them inside the Ordon Sanctuary (where Ordos stands, and people that completed at least 1 legendary cap back at mop could enter), and swap 20 each Lesser for 1 Elder next at the Niu Zao Temple in Townlong Steppes.

The elites in Isle of Thunder can drop the Elder ones too but I found that via Timeless Isle Farm you can farm too the local currency (Timeless Coin), which in turn you can turn in 3000 near Shao Hao for 1 Mogu rune of fate each (Isle of thunder raid bonus coin). With thousands of Lesser charms in very few time, you can even farm those SoO bonus coin at the Eternal Blossoms sanctuaries, where the npc swaps x Elder for 3 of SoO bonus coins each.

Timeless Isle, even for those that couldn't get the legendary cloak back during MoP, can swoop the rest of the entire isle and kill the rares, might even get some rare pet drops that sell for thousands of gold now in the AH meanwhile.

Commentaire de popje

If you want elder charms quickly on your alts, just paste this and look for a golden/bronze treasure chest (Trove of the Thunder King) in Isle of Thunder, you can only loot it once a week per alt but it will give you ~7 elder charms, more than enough for Galleon and Sha of Anger. By far the fastest and easiest way I found to get them.

I find a trove very quickly, often in the first 5 tomtom waypoints I check, I'm on a medium populated PvP server if it matter (Magtheridon-US)

tomtom coords (thanks to Dragomir on the trove wowhead page)

EDIT: here a quick reference which is the route I use, never went further than that before finding a trove: https://i.imgur.com/qxTc7Ze.png

/way 58.0, 39.6
/way 44.1, 56.2
/way 59.3, 56.8
/way 47.4, 72.4
/way 43.5, 78.6
/way 52.9, 77.2
/way 47.9, 82.1
/way 38.96, 54.62
/way 34.86, 47.63
/way 37.0, 60.0
/way 38.97, 59.9

/way 28.8, 80.8
/way 33.3, 76.3
/way 40.8, 74.8
/way 43.8, 82.8
/way 51.5, 89.6
/way 51.3, 74.9
/way 51.6, 73.8
/way 44.3, 67.4
/way 39.6, 64.9
/way 35.6, 63.8
/way 33.8, 60.3
/way 33.4, 57.5
/way 46.3, 57.4
/way 59.2, 56.9
/way 55.4, 53.7
/way 54.2, 53.7

/way 45.2, 50.7
/way 46.6, 61.6
/way 36.1, 58.4
/way 33.2, 60.5
/way 36.9, 60.7
/way 37.9, 61.0
/way 37.0, 68.1
/way 39.1, 76.8
/way 53.8, 82.8

/way 47.7, 25.8
/way 48.0, 29.2
/way 48.8, 42.9
/way 49.0, 27.2
/way 50.2, 44.2
/way 50.3, 27.2
/way 52.7, 45.4
/way 53.2, 24.5
/way 55.1, 49.2
/way 56.8, 45.6
/way 57.5, 48.5
/way 59.8, 47.0
/way 63.5, 39.3
/way 63.8, 48.2
/way 66.1, 40.9

Commentaire de xenions

Noticed this last few weeks, the rare chests on the Isle Of Thunder are only giving 1-2 of these now, instead of the 6 or so.

Commentaire de ahmos

Does anyone know if you can use these to roll for the new pets that drop in Mogu'shan Vaults, Heart of Fear and Terrace of Endless Spring for the Raiding with Leashes VI: Pets of Pandaria achievement?

Commentaire de Krug

As a long time farmer of MoP world boss mounts I can say as of 8.2 these charms that drops from rares and chests around the Isle of Thunder now seem much much rarer than what they were. I usually had to kill 2-3 rares to get stacked up with these, now it's perhaps 5-6 rares to even see a few if I'm lucky.

In fact, you'll be lucky to get any drops from rares. Good news is when they do drop, as before, they drop in numbers, usually as much as 3-5.

But again, I can't confirm it has officially changed, but my experience with these since 8.2 definitely is not the same.

Commentaire de gmartin2121

To speed up the purchase create a macro. Click on Commander Lo Ping and spam the macro /run BuyMerchantItem(1)

Commentaire de joshuachanhz

Been trying to farm these on Isle Of Thunder via the rares. But after doing it on a few toons, it seems that only Ku'Lai drops the elder charms while the rest just drop the lesser charms. Might just be a coincidence though.

Commentaire de Dacur

Any use for these Elder charms anymore? In 9.1 I am full at 20/20 of these charms which would just fill up my bank slots, and I can't gather anymore and there is presently no one running those raids anymore since everyone left for End-Content Shadowlands.
So unless I solo them, is there a way I could use them in Solo running those dungeons?

Or do I just start throwing them out?

Commentaire de Mokogundo

Just killed one rare on the Isle of Thunder, it gave me 9 elder charms 2 lesser and an incantation.What a time saver.

Commentaire de Ata5ll

I see a lot of comments here suggesting you need to go to Isle of Thunder to farm these.

The truth is, you can go to Timeless Isle, farm frogs and when you have 400 coins you can buy 20 Elder charm's at Commander Lo Ping in Townlong Steppes

Commentaire de TrueXirro

Quick Guide for everyone farming the Worldbosses:
Explaining which bonusrolls for each boss and how to farm them!

1. YES, you can Bonusroll on them for increased Mountchance

Worldbosses / Bonusrolls:
- Sha of Anger NEEDS Elder Charm of Good Fortune as Bonusroll
- Galleon NEEDS Elder Charm of Good Fortune as Bonusroll
- Oondasta NEEDS Mogu Rune of Fate as Bonusroll
- Nalak NEEDS Mogu Rune of Fate as Bonusroll

How to FARM the Bonusrolls super FAST:
1) Go to the Timeless Isle and farm the Frogs at the east-coast .
2) They drop 2 important currencys to buy BOTH Bonusrolls!
2.1) - Lesser Charm of Good Fortune :: You need 20 Lesser to buy 1 Elder Charm of Good Fortune :: Farm 400 Lesser to buy 20 Elder (CAP)
2.2) - Timeless Coins :: You need 1000 to buy 1 Mogu Rune of Fate :: Farm 20k Coins to buy 20 Runes (CAP)
3.1) While on Timeless Isle, trade in your Timeless Coins at /way 42.8 55.6 Mistweaver Ai for Mogu Rune of Fate.
3.2) Fly to Townlong Steppes, trade in your Lesser Charm of Good Fortune at /way 37.8 64.6 Commander Lo Ping for Elder Charm of Good Fortune.
--- I personally need around 15 min of farm for 400 Charms (cap) and 11k Coins.
--- You can speed up the process in a group, cuz everyone can loot all corpses and they respawn even faster.
--- therefore, invite everyone nearby that is also farming!

Leave a like if I could help you, so everyone else can see this post, too.
And GL on your Mounts!

Greetings

Commentaire de shakylogic

Looks like Commander Lo Ping is out of stock. Any idea where we might get these now?

Commentaire de Woodymakespizza

Bug has been fixed! These are once again available from Commander Lo Ping!

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Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune

Posséder une breloque ancienne de bonne fortune permet à son chanceux propriétaire d’utiliser une pièce pour obtenir un butin supplémentaire aux caveaux Mogu’shan, au Cœur de la peur, à la terrasse Printanière, sur le sha de la colère ou la troupe de guerre de Salyis.

Breloque ancienne de bonne fortune

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