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Commentaire de switchup

For comparison, an Pierre d'alchimiste infernale is base ilvl835, and at 10/10 obliterium is ilvl900 with +1180 Versatility and 7,591 (Str, Agi, Int). If it ends up being upgradeable to ilvl915, and as long as the proc rate is the same the Astral Stone should be a strict upgrade. The only question at the moment is if you use an ilvl900 infernal alchemist stone to create the Astral Alchemist Stone, what affects to the created item will happen?

Commentaire de Anatta

Breakdown of cost to learn the recipe, make a stone, and upgrade it to 935:

Learn recipe from the quest Ascending Alchemy. Available in the Broken encampment in the first area of Argus after doing a handful of quests.
75x Astral Glory
1x Infernal Alchemist Stone
5x Primal Sargerite

Make a stone:
75x Astral Glory
1x Infernal Alchemist Stone
5x Primal Sargerite

Upgrade to 935:
20x Primal Sargerite
10x Obliterum

Total:
150x Astral Glory
2x Infernal Alchemist Stone
30x Primal Sargerite
10x Obliterum

If you're looking to make one as soon as possible when 7.3 launches, you can expect the Primal Sargerite to be the limiting factor. Gathering on Argus will probably be the best source, once you've unlocked the higher ranks (which you do by gathering). You can also get some from world quests on Argus, once you've progressed through the story to unlock them.

Although Primal Sargerite itself is soulbound, the Primal Obliterum is not. If you buy 10x Primal Obliterum from other players, you'll require 10 fewer Primal Sargerite and no longer need any Obliterum.

This assumes you don't wait until getting rank 2 or 3, which would save up to 2 Primal Sargerite and 25 Astral Glory.
~~All based on the current state of the 7.3 PTR which is liable to change.~~
7.3 is live, and nothing appears to have changed.

Commentaire de Cronovey

So for any who have tested on PTR so far, the real question is: can I equip both an older 900 version and also the new 915 version at the same time?

Seems like specs that favor Versatility (such as Outlaw rogue currently) could probably make a strong pairing of the two as long as the ICD isn't shared on the two items.

Commentaire de SiCkGFX

Anyone knows how much ash you get from obliterating it?

Commentaire de Deplete1352

Just made one of these and finally upgraded it to 935. All that primal sargerite was difficult to farm over about 4 days(?) from herbalism and the transmute (daily CD) and I think one quest on Argus gave one(?).

Upgraded to 935, the proc is pretty high (10.5k I think). It tends to proc at the same time as the legionfall proc... so I was seeing my Int shoot up to about 80k.

Commentaire de Minetje

I just had a WTF moment when I crafted an Astral Alchemist stone ...
I had a maxed out Infernal stone in my inventory and also a couple of ilvl850 ones I just made to obliterate for the mats to upgrade the Astral one .
Since the Astral one needs quite a bit of Obliterum and Primal Sargerite to upgrade , I decided to keep my maxed out old stone untill the new one was finished .
But when I crafted my Astral stone I didn't get a choice or a warning or anything and it just automaticly used my ilvl900 stone for the recipe instead of the ilvl850s I made just for crafting the trinket and for Obliterum .
It just sucks it costs 10 Obliterum + 20 Blood of Sargeras + the mats to make the 850 base trinket that "upgrades into" an ilvl885 version of a ilvl900 trinked I already had ...

Commentaire de Ebyssius

Is this trinket viable for raiding?
The +40% increase on potions seems nice but is the increased stat buff comparable to other raid trinkets?

Edit: I made one of these right after 7.3 released and leveled it to 935 right away. I have not been disappointed. I only have one of my two BiS trinkets and this has proven a great filler until I get my other trinket to drop.

Commentaire de Bloodvenom14

I just finished obliterating around 230 of these, the range is around 322(?)-399(?), with an average around 360ish Obliterum Ash

Edited: more obliterated, got 328 as my lowest so far
Edited: even more obliterated, lowest is now 324
Edited: 19 more obliterated, average seems to be 360 Obliterum Ash on a long enough timeline
Edited: 84 more, 29972 ash/84 ~356.8 ash a stone
Edited: more obliterated, got a 322
Edited: I think the average is evident now, aprox ~360/stone

Commentaire de sadistic12345

where does wowhead get these retarded prices from? it sells for 4k on mine

Commentaire de Fearlessfear

Does anyone know if I upgrade the Astral to iLvl935 and I get exalted with the Argussian Reach, and I buy the spell to upgrade the Astral Alch. Stone, does the spell put it back to an iLvL885 again?

Commentaire de Tareku

After obliterating 154 Pierre d'alchimiste astrale I can say that on average I get 362 ashes.

So after 154 obliterates I've got so far:

Minimum: 323
Maximum: 398
Average: 362
Median: 363

Commentaire de JohnEP

I was gobsmacked to see that I had BOTH Infernal and Astral stones equipped. Now I am wondering if the Intellect bump on my priest can be bumped up to DOUBLE the effect that the stones have. I know the potion effect does NOT stack...

Commentaire de Tequima

Note that although the base item can be sold on the Auction House, applying Primal Obliterum makes it soulbound. It also requires Alchemy profession, so limits sales somewhat. Obliterating the item generates around 350 Obliterum Ash, enough for 5 Obliterurm.

Commentaire de wyckd

I've been collecting "BIS" for Chromie time content. I equipped both Pierre d'alchimiste infernale and Pierre d'alchimiste astrale. I've been smacking away at a training dummy for a long time and while both do proc, they are never -both- active simultaneously. It's always one buff or the other.

I am also baffled and cannot find any answer why the older (Infernal) trink has better stats than the newer Astral. I am considering foregoing upgrading the Astral because it costs a tremendous amount of resources to upgrade to full, and I am currently not convinced that it'll be an upgrade at all.

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+9 Versatilité

Équipé : Quand vous soignez ou infligez des dégâts, vous avez une chance de bénéficier d’un bonus à la Force, l’Agilité ou l’Intelligence de 24 pendant 15 sec. C’est votre caractéristique la plus élevée qui est améliorée.
Équipé : Augmente de 40% l'efficacité des potions de soins et de mana sur son porteur. Cet effet ne se cumule pas.
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