I remember when Alliance got that cool toy
troggs, why'd it have to be troggs?
MoP 2: Electric boogaloo
Forcing horde characters to betray Sylvanas and join Saurfang is incredibly ridiculous.I'm imagining a Forsaken Warlock getting to that part and it's just so laughable.e; they could have just given you a choice to fight alongside the dark rangers and then have Saurfang do the classic npc "ENOUGH", stunning you and escaping.
I'm sticking to my theory that Shaw is manipulating evidence that he *knew* the Forsaken would find to get the Horde to turn on each other. The evidence trail was pretty transparent.
So it's confirmed that Sylvannas lied to the players and was just using them for her own needs of disposing Saurfang for good. Guess it makes more sense as to why players defy Sylvannas' orders after being betrayed with hidden intentions themselves.
So we get no choice but to side with Saurfang? We can\u2019t talk to the Dark Ranger and help her like we could choose to kill Sira or not?
So we get no choice but to side with Saurfang? We can\u2019t talk to the Dark Ranger and help her like we could choose to kill Sira or not?\r\rNot this time, unfortunately.\r\rI agree that having the option like we did with Sira would have been a nice touch! It's easy enough to make the quest just end with Saurfang punching you and escaping.
Forcing the horde character to betray Sylvanas and join Saurfang is so incredibly ridiculous.\r\rI'm imagining a Forsaken Warlock getting to that part and it's just so laughable.\r\rIf it was more commonly known what Sylvanas did in Arathi during Before the Storm, perhaps her loyal subjects would think differently of her. She no longer values Forsaken (un)lives above the rest of the Horde, she'll kill them just for having hope in a better future. She needs the Forsaken to be systematically depressed and psychologically dependent on her. They rallied behind her in the first place only because their living human families had rejected them for being undead. They had a chance in Before the Storm to start gaining the acceptance they wanted back during WC3 and Sylvanas slaughtered them for it.\r\rThe Forsaken are literally trapped in an abusive relationship with their faction leader and the whole Horde is going to suffer for it until Saurfang's rebellion removes her from power, one way or another.
so horde players discover that the si:7 are behind his escape, but they still side with saurfang and his rebellion despite that knowledge. that makes sense
so horde players discover that the si:7 are behind his escape, but they still side with saurfang and his rebellion despite that knowledge. that makes sense\r\rAnd they also discover they are being used and lied to by their own warchief. Pick your poison
I'm imagining a Forsaken Warlock getting to that part and it's just so laughable.\rImagine a non-Forsaken doing just about anything involved in the pre-patch that wasn't directly from Saurfang (or any of the War Campaign) and it's even more laughable.\r\rGreat quest! Great article. Can't wait to get my hands on the toy and use it on CD. Looking forward to the next chapter of this plotline. It felt forced with Garrosh but it feels natural here. Drek'Thar had the right of it: the Forsaken are fundamentally at odds with everything the Horde stands for. Time to deal with that rather than letting it fester in the background.
SoO 2.0 here we come!......
SoO 2.0 here we come!......the sooner we do this, the sooner its done. lets just get this over already
just checked the comments on the toy...had to downvote them all jesus not a single comment about the item itself and all about the lore of the game..pick the right place god...
So we get no choice but to side with Saurfang? We can\u2019t talk to the Dark Ranger and help her like we could choose to kill Sira or not?\r\rNot this time, unfortunately.\r\rI agree that having the option like we did with Sira would have been a nice touch! It's easy enough to make the quest just end with Saurfang punching you and escaping.\r\rI agree
I don't want to be on Saurfang's side. In my eyes he is a deserter and hypocrite. He constantly talks about honor when he left his own people instead of standing up and strugling against the so hated warchief. It's the most dishonorable act.
Forcing the horde character to betray Sylvanas and join Saurfang is so incredibly ridiculous.\r\rI'm imagining a Forsaken Warlock getting to that part and it's just so laughable.\r\rIf it was more commonly known what Sylvanas did in Arathi during Before the Storm, perhaps her loyal subjects would think differently of her. She no longer values Forsaken (un)lives above the rest of the Horde, she'll kill them just for having hope in a better future. She needs the Forsaken to be systematically depressed and psychologically dependent on her. They rallied behind her in the first place only because their living human families had rejected them for being undead. They had a chance in Before the Storm to start gaining the acceptance they wanted back during WC3 and Sylvanas slaughtered them for it.\r\rThe Forsaken are literally trapped in an abusive relationship with their faction leader and the whole Horde is going to suffer for it until Saurfang's rebellion removes her from power, one way or another.\r\rThis.\r\rDeath to the witch!
Blizzard needs to start addressing the fact that the Horde player base is extremely polarized, and that forcing players to take actions in-game that they would never go along with is just poor game design. They could allow players to take either side of this narrative if they would simply be willing to put in more effort. In this particular instance they could let the player choose to refuse to betray their faction leader, and join the Dark Rangers against Saurfang if they wanted to, and be defeated of course, but at least they have a way to actually go along with the narrative without completely ruining their role-playing experience.\r\rI'm an Alliance player by the way, and even I can see how absurd it is to ask players to betray their faction leader, even if they are doing some very questionable things. Blizzard needs to be challenged to take this game in some new directions. Taking away choice is the only thing that Blizzard seems to do anymore.
Ugh - I like Sylvanas. I seriously don\u2019t want ANOTHER change in Warchief. Not sure why Blizzard goes after strong female characters - last was Jaina. Seems like Tyrande is also losing it :(.
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