Have the horde won any ^&*!ing conflict since Wrath?
Seems like the 15 Minute War is about to end...After 8.2.5 probably everyone will be acting pretty much like none of this actually happened, like WOD =/So boring.......I miss the "bigger villain" expansions so much right now... Illidan, Arthas (LK)... I mean, I miss even Deathwing right now =/Give us cartoony villains again Blizzard! PLEASE!
I wouldn't be surprise if the thing with Mekkatorque is apart of opening up the gnome dungeon, and it makes Mechagnomes a customization and not a whole new allied race.... they can tie mech goblins in there too.
Too much forced all this analysis. It's simple, there are two armies, the defender and the attacker. The objective of the defender is to repel the attack (regardless of the costs) the objective of the attacker is to occupy and conquer the territory. In the end the Horde manages to repel the alliance, although they lost, they won. The alliance lost many troops in the attack, although if it says "we are winning" the reality is that it should be worried about the losses of soldiers and also think that it can not make another similar attack (especially when the Night elf are "temporarily outside" the alliance resolving their own words).The old gods did not win anything, their main objective must be Sylvanas and their forsaken, until they kill her they will not launch a massive attack. They must be planned to be Alleria who tries to kill her and then start their plans.
Good but sad read. Unfortunately, it again shows that the Alliance is in BFA only to power the Horde story, and all the things they do make absolutely no sense at all, except setting a ground for important changes for the Horde.
These writers don't even have enough talent to give the Alliance a credible win when it really is owed. I'm sure they believe that they have written this as an Alliance victory, while not understanding that it really isn't even close to a victory. Being forced to flee a besieged and nearly taken city while suffering heavy losses is the kind of moral blow that in the history of humanity has led to entire wars turning.
Anyone pretending that barring outside influences the Horde is not doomed, is simply wrong.At a macro level where the forces are split on a continental level, the loss of the zandalari fleet is a massive blow. Headcanoning how many were away for the attack is pointless, in game statements contradict that so we can assume the majority of the fleet wrecked. This alone prevents the Horde from making any meaningful moves on enemy soil(Arathi p much lost with Horde reinforcements cut off by the fleet) and opens uptheir docks to besieged halting further ship production(and losing the horde Darkshore too due to its location and relevance as mostly a dock). Orgrimmar itself is open to a naval siege, with both Durotar and Azshara open to seaside invasion cutting Orgrimmar off on land from TB, at which point the horde likely loses as Kalimdor is systematically conquered and Orgrimmar's food supplies have nowhere to be refilled from as everything falls around them.Now magic assures that things won't go that simply, but considering just that, qith Thrall mostly depowered Jaina is probably the single most powerful caster on either side, with neutral ones having no involvement or reason to side with the horde(Khadgar, Wrathion). In an eye for an eye but, what ever magical atrocity the Horde commits the Alliance will deal back instantly(reminder Jaina could drown Orgrimmar if she wanted).On a Micro scale the Alliance lost Grong as a war asset and temporarily had Gnome leadership lett empty(he is the best, but this hardly damages the alliance mechanics). In addition they still have the mechanism that traded the brains for the brawn, so any number of gnomes could be hulked out by it, in the end Grong was just a prototype.On the Horde side Rastakhan is a minor loss when being replaced by talanji, and the suicide forces of the alliance do somewhat make up for the generic soldiers lost to the attack(though I am being generous). Now where I wont be generous is the following: Death of multiple High Priests in the Loa encounter, destruction of the most ancient defense mechanism of Dazar'alor(Opulence), and the death of many sailors and naval officers. While the former were mostly a major defensive force for the trolls, the last one was just as big a loss as the ships. When the ships were destroyed not only were multiple already manned and firing, but due to the attack most sea forces were getting ready to cut off the Nazmir invasion, that is to say the first line of defense that got completely crushed were the navy(in the soldier sense, not the fleet sense). Those that didn't die on the ships perished defending the docks. At this point the Zandalari provide nothing more than fairly pissed soldiers and a fairly shady death god(who dislikes sylvannas).At this point the Horde's only chance is sabotaging Kul Tiras from using their fleet in the war(having Derek assassinate the Proodmore family(spoilers it fails)).Otherwise they depend of a force greater than either side giving the Horde an "edge"(cough something sharp as a knaifu cough)In closing all the Horde has accomplished in their War Campaign will or has fallen apart, their main reason for wanting the Zandalari falls apart just as they join and the Alliance succeeds on all their own fronts with minor loses. Calling this anything but an overwhelming victory for the alliance that secures them the war barring outside intervention is disingenuous or does not understand how much the navy mattered and how little the Zandalari do without it(an incompetent leader with an army is a better ally than a competent one with none)
The Alliance kills/defeats one dude and then abandons yet another Horde city? It's almost like this has happened before with moronic consequences, but BFA surely is not a retread of a previous expansion...
Good article, emphasizing again the bad storywriting at Blizzard.The people that wrote the horde part of reacting on the Nazmir feint obviously didn't know that the Zandalar fleet was to remain in port just to be sunk by some bombs any seaworthy captain would've suspected easily after departing from the harbour - the water profile should give it away that someone needs to look at the hull for some large encrustation before entering the Great Sea. No side seems to use copper plated hulls, so encrustation should be common and checked for often, especially in war times.So, the main part of the Zandalari fleet can't be in Dazar'alor when the Alliance arrives. Either they are en route to Nazmir, in Nazmir or on their way back. Being in disarray doesn't neccessarily mean having lost most of their ships.
I don't have time to raid currently, so I would like to thank you for this article because it clarifies some things for me.
So they siege and invade a huge city, kill its leader and then just leave? Yea... makes perfect sense. BfA really is a joke.