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Class Utility and the Changes to Buff Scrolls, Speed Pots, Engi Rez and Drums in Shadowlands

envoyé 05/09/2020 à 02:18 par Dratnos

Battle Shout, Arcane Intellect, and Fortitude scrolls are gonethe Engineering Battle Rez is goneDrums have been nerfed to 15% haste from 25%

If you want a Battle Rez, you must bring a Death Knight, Druid or Warlock
If you want 5% Stamina, you bring a Priest
If you want 5% Attack Power, you bring a Warrior
If you want 5% Intellect, you bring a Mage
If you want 5% Magic Damage, you bring a Demon Hunter
If you want 5% Physical Damage, you bring a Monk
If you want Lust, you bring a Mage, Hunter or Shaman

potions from previous expansions will not work in ShadowlandsPotion de pied légerPotion de rapidité de la psychopompeThe 5% Class BuffsClass Buffs in RaidMarque du chaosPierre de soinsCri de guerreAnti-Magic ZoneClass Buffs and Drums in Mythic+Marque du chaosEngineering Rez Going AwayPotionsI've written before about the change to a 5-minute cooldown for potionsPotion de pied légerPotion de rapidité de la psychopompeConclusion/TL;DR

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Commentaire de ShirofuneYou forgot about the Windfury totem from Enhancement Shamans, but I doubt it is going to be as strong as anything else posted on that list.

I seriously hope Blizzard turns their mind on their vision about class buffs at some point. It's just annoying and limits raid compositions so much having to bring so much classes just for the sake of buffs.Commentaire de mortenformoIf you want Windfury (20% chance to auto-attack twice), you bring Enhancement Shaman :)Commentaire de daughterofhornsI'm unreasonably sad about the speed potions :'(Commentaire de lizymarieI'm quite happy to see some reduction of these utilities. We will always get new potions coming in, so I'm glad to see that previous content potions can't be used so easily.
And I just like going back to some basics. "Bring this class for this effect". I like it.Commentaire de MockturtleHealth Pots...Commentaire de WowomegalulVery nice changes, good job.Commentaire de cheesey3Great change to the battle rez, now Feral/Guardian have the utility that they sorely lacked, and less so DK/lock dps as well.Commentaire de TurylionIt would be great to have Blessings back to buff raid and feel good.Commentaire de IsmatThe Shadowlands version of Windfury Totem only gives a 10% chance of proccing an extra auto-attack, and only affects the Enhancement Shaman's party. Given the fraction of damage that typically comes from auto-attacks (low), the benefit is small enough to be completely swamped by typical dps variation between specs. This doesn't count as a meaningful raid buff.Commentaire de Orclastdpswhat would a paladin bring though blizzard?Commentaire de VinceVegaI like the changes. Everythign they do helps to get rid of those %^&*ty just melee mythic+ groups. Ranges MAYBE get taken again this expansion for higher keys...Commentaire de Sielinthwell i said it before, the reality I imagine is this would really only negatively impact high end key pushes and low number raid comps

if you feel the need to stack 20 warlocks for a normal raid then either blizzard has seriously fked up tuning or your strategic thinking is warpedCommentaire de rinotzYou forgot about the Windfury totem from Enhancement Shamans, but I doubt it is going to be as strong as anything else posted on that list.

I seriously hope Blizzard turns their mind on their vision about class buffs at some point. It's just annoying and limits raid compositions so much having to bring so much classes just for the sake of buffs.Commentaire de CarlBarkerThey need to spread the damage debuffs and buffs out a little more. Battle Res and Bloodlust are used by 3 classes. Furthermore, battle res should either be disabled for Blood DKs and Resto druids or available to more/all classes - it is way too impactful and is not just some simple buff or debuff. DKs, Druids, and Warlocks being a near-necessity in a small 5-man comp greatly impacts the viability and usage statistics of every other class.

It's a shame to see Paladins offer no utility anymore. They should have access to all the 5% buffs, albeit only one active at a time. Shamans offering nothing but lust is also a shame, they should have the damage debuffs or a combat res other than their own.Commentaire de TahrooRight, but Marks hunters would have to summon their pet, use Primal Rage, dismiss their pet and then they can start dealing damage while their 10% dmg buff ticks back up. Seems like maybe they should just get the ability to use it without all the hassle.Commentaire de OxyiaSorry but i think Dratnos is way off the mark here. These changes will see the most impact in M+, not in raid. In raid you can easily bring one of every class, but if we assume for example that in SL the high keys meta will see a 2 melee 1 ranged setup like the vast majority of BFA was (and let's face it, the dungeon design is pretty similar) then you are stuck in a situation where the only viable ranged classes you can bring are mage/hunter/shaman because realistically, in an high key youre not ever gonna give up BL as a group cooldown. Considering that rogue will also be pretty much a mandatory class with the disappearence of obelisks, that leaves ranged classes without BL in a very bad spot in my opinion. Why would i ever take a lock, SP or Balance druid when doing so would mean loosing pretty much half of the value of BL, the most important group cooldown ever? Realistically this change will make the high M+ meta even more strict, unless mage sucks i can easily see something like tank-rdrood-rogue-DH-mage being vastly prevalent. DH will buff 5% magic damage to mage while mage brings 5% int for himself and drood, rogue provides cc and skip capability, and thats pretty all that will see play, unless of course other ranged classes are INSANELY outdamaging the BL ones, which i honestly doubt considering both mage and hunter have 3 damage specs, at least 1 of them is bound to be good. On top of all this, we then have to factor Covenant abilities which are pretty much mandatory in specific dungeons, while at the same time certain classes are stuck to a specific covenant (say rogue HAS to play Necrolord right now). This is looking to further complicate an already pretty much scuffed meta situation. I foresee fun times ahead.Commentaire de angeleyedThe game was a lot more fun in legion when they removed class buffs. Bring the player not the class please.Commentaire de Ralph2449Great changes, it is so good to see the dev team go back to an RPG focus instead of trying the impossibly to please tryhard who will always whine cuz something will always be mathematically betterCommentaire de OxyiaGreat changes, it is so good to see the dev team go back to an RPG focus instead of trying the impossibly to please tryhard who will always whine cuz something will always be mathematically betterCommentaire de VSozonovI'm a big fan of these Blizzard changes, bring the class philosophy is much better than bring a player. Can't wait to see some differences in group compositions

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