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Commentaire de angemourant

Pour info, faut etre 110, car je l'ai tué au lvl 104, et a rien loot :P

Commentaire de Lujark

Je confirme : j'ai tenté sans charme et je n'ai rien looté, par contre en allant parler à la PNJ avec le charme, j'ai looté l'apparence cachée :)

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Commentaire de jjanchan

UPDATE: On Live servers, getting to Artifact Knowledge level 5 is a prerequisite for obtaining Simulacre de Marche-mort.

This flying Demon can be found in Suramar and drops Simulacre de Marche-mort, the item that grants the Havoc Chasseur de démons hidden Artifact Weapon appearance (granting the achievement Potentiel caché).

MMO Champion user Azarakal is presumably the first person to both discover and post the information on obtaining this item.

Below is the complete post by Azarakal, outlining the process (Source):

The first thing you'll need to do is obtain "Charme de Candrael" from a random drop – I assume it comes from Suramar guards, because that's where I got mine. No idea if that's the case.

*Has been confirmed to drop from a wide variety of mobs in Suramar (see this thread), and is most likely a zone-wide random drop*

Once you have that, you'll notice the gem has "C.T." engraved on it. This stands for "Candrael Ombres-Jumelles" If you go into the Felsoul Hold crater area in Suramar, there's a path visible on the map that runs west. Go up the incline and double-jump/glide along the rocks to get to the top of the cliffside. Follow it around to a large tree and you'll find Candrael Ombres-Jumelles, a Blood Elf Demon Hunter. She's by a large tree, some bird/porcupine mobs just before her.

If you show her the charm, her immediate reaction is to assume you're a thief and kick you off the side of the cliff - ya know, as you do. Her kick will send you straight at Débâcle a large felbat with around 10 million health. You may've noticed him floating around in the general questing area. There's "violent winds" around him which will keep you aloft. You basically can "swim" in the spiral around him, but can't go too high or low or else you will drop out of the area and will reset (you can go to Candrael to continue attempting it). After damaging him for a little bit, Débâcle will fling you off in a direction. You basically need to stay afloat using Planer and fall back on top of him to get kicked up by his winds again.

From my attempts (took around 5-10 to realize this was a DH only encounter and I had to be creative) it seems like you need to cancel Planer once you get back to his winds or it'll be buggy and let you fall right through. He'll fling you around again randomly even when you get back into his "bubble" of wind.

Kill him and you get the Simulacre de Marche-mort. The good news is, it's cool. The bad news is, the graphic is bugged at the moment. I have a few 20 yard long polygons jutting out of me at the moment. Can't post any pictures.

Commentaire de varenne

You have to kill Débâcle to unlock Havoc DH hidden arctifact appearence Simulacre de Marche-mort. He's flying hight in the skies so it's a bit tricky to kill him.
I believe you have to be Havoc to get the item.

1. Farm mobs in Suramar, they have a chance to drop Charme de Candrael. It may take a long time before you get the item.
2. Bring it to Candrael Ombres-Jumelles, she's near Felsoul Hold on the top of the hill, 28.35, 70.3
3. She'll launch you at Débâcle which has a special wind aura that let's you fly near him. You have to kill him
4. While fighting he'll knock you away from time to time, you have to use Glide and fly back to him or you'll fall. So to be safe you have to position yourself higher relative to Débâcle so when he knocks you away you have more space to fall. He drops Simulacre de Marche-mort, which gives you havoc artifact hidden appearance and an achievement Potentiel caché

/way Suramar 28.35, 70.3 Candrael Twinshadow

Candrael Ombres-Jumelles and Débâcle location https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2ca-MqJdFU(##RESPBREAK##)6152##DELIM##CalaelenDT##DELIM##

Commentaire de SillyWog

Downfall - TRUSTCompany

Commentaire de Enfae

Has anyone tried shooting Downfall down during the 12 felbats quest?

Commentaire de Sabbotage

is this a guaranteed drop with the charm?

Commentaire de darkasnight

As Demon Hunter, get your artifact knowledge to 5, fly down to him from Dalaran or Highmountain, kill him and you will receive the Havoc DH hidden appearance.

Killing him can be a bit tricky for some. Havoc Specialisation is recommended for the use of Fel Rush. As you fly down to him you will see red winds engulfing him and you just have to aim for him and get caught in those winds.

As soon as you can, attack him. After you first hit him he will throw you away and fly to a new spot. Keep an eye on where he goes and deploy your wings to glide again as soon as you stop spinning. Dont spam it tho or you'll start to fall really fast and be to low to get back to him.

You'll probably find your a bit far from him so use fel rush to get back to him and continue to attack. He will keep throwing you away until you kill him. Pop any cooldowns such as Chaos blades and blur after the first knock back and you might want to bring a potion because he starts to really beat on you and your soul fragments drop out of range so pretty much no self heals. Once you kill him you can drop with his corpse and loot him.

Commentaire de Vandas

I can confirm that Artifact 5 is all you need for the Guise to drop. Flew from Dalaran to Downfall, beat the snot out of him, got the skin on live at 10AM EST or so on Sunday, the 26th.

Commentaire de alcaras

Once you have AK5, you do NOT need the Charm to get the appearance.

Commentaire de Marsieh

Got the charm, got kicked up, started the fight and then somehow just fell through the red cloud. Went to Highmountain and flew back, got kicked from the bat and was falling straight down with no chance of getting back to it... Went to Dalaran, flew over from Margross' Retreat and didn't get anywhere near the bat. So back to Highmountain. Aaaaand fell right through the cloud again -.-

Commentaire de nemestrinus

just wanted to post a few things for some DHs that might be having an annoying time when fighting this fel bat.

1) like others have said, you don't need the charm after hitting AK5 to have him drop the skin for the weapon, can glide down and kill him from highmountian.

2) you need to have the Glide ability active when entering his disturbed winds aura (red swirly stuff around him) otherwise you will just keep falling and will have to get back up to fight him from the start of it again.

3) you can't use Metamorphosis during the fight since there is nowhere for you to jump onto, and any orbs that might spawn from chaos strike will spawn way down on the ground so you can't use them for healing.

4) it might help a lot if you use some of the single target talents like Fel Eruption since you need to save Fel Rush for getting back to Downfall after he knocks you away.

Commentaire de mardox

If you have Artifact Knowledge 5 you can do the easy way as "varenne" stated in his post. Too bad he got downvoted, because ppl weren't AK5 then.

Quoting from his comment:

The easy way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mTcmErTpX4
1. You have to go on the top of the Ironhorn Enclave flight point mountain in Highmountain. Start your way from Thunder Totem's second floor and go to the direction of Snowblind Messa (49.9, 63.6), when you reach the bridge turn right. Go along the road and you'll see Neltharion's Lair entrance. There is a path up the mountain near the dungeon entrance, take the path and you'll get up the mountain.
2. After passing two bridges you'll get on top of the mountain at 56.3, 94.1. From there you have to jump in Felsoul Hold direction using your Glide ability. Glide right into Downfall position and kill him using strategy from previous way.
3. Profit Guise of the Deathwalker

/way Highmountain 48.2, 68.3 road up the mountain (DH Artifact)
/way Highmountain 56.3, 94.1 rjump from here to Felsoul (DH Artifact)
/way Suramar 31, 71 Downfall (DH Artifact)

Here is my proof: http://imgur.com/a/1rSDP

Commentaire de preludeoflight

If you're having trouble bringing down Downfall, because you keep falling through his cloud, try this:

When he bounces you up in the air and you glide back to him, don't use an ability and try and fall into his whirlwind. Instead, keep gliding down directly inside him (as in, colliding with his model.) His area of effect that keeps you afloat seems to work the best directly around him. Once you're pretty much inside his model, then go back to DPSing him!

Best of luck!

Commentaire de FyreNyte

Don't group up with another Demon Hunter to get the item. He only drops one and you will need to roll for it.

Also it's much faster to glide from Dalaran.

Commentaire de Auryan

Took me a couple attempts but I finally downed the bat as Havoc. Some tips that worked for me:

I was specced into Fel Barrage and so had a full five charges at the beginning of the fight.
My weapon was specced into Anguish of the Deceiver for the extra damage after Eye Beam.
As others have mentioned, you can't Meta while in the air, but you CAN punch a porcupine near the NPC to build up your resource pool, Meta on the ground, get punted and pop a potion/drums to go ham on that stupid bat.
You can't stop or modify getting punted by the bat, just be ready when your kick ends to strategically fall/glide back to the bat's position.
You can do everything correctly and it can still be buggy (yay air fights!), just keep at it and good luck!

Commentaire de kakowa

Killed him twice now and still have not gotten the drop, did they hotfix being able to do it without the charm?

have AK5 http://puu.sh/rx3kS/f1de6dff05.jpg

im gliding in from Dalaran, I've killed him once after he tossed me away and once while i was floating around him, not sure if that would make any difference.

Commentaire de larkir

Took me multiple tries to actually reach him, but upon reaching him, it was a fairly simple kill. Some quick notes:

-You will fall through the winds if you don't stop gliding, so stop as soon as you hit them and 'swim' upward
-If you're specced into Fel Barrage, you can deal quite a bit of damage to him and catch yourself when he knocks you away if you use it just as he hits you
-Throw Glaive will also 'interrupt' your being thrown away from him, then you can glide back to him (should be a relatively short distance if you use this trick)
-Blur is your friend if you're playing as Havoc, since you can't swap to Meta while you're mid-air, as others have noted.

Happy hunting!

Commentaire de Fortdeath

Why is it that half a dozen different people can tell me yes, you can get the item, or no you can't get the item, the easy way of gliding... but no one gives me any of the relevant information about him like when he bloody well respawns. I just want to know how long I have to sit here and wait for this overgrown felbat to show back up so I can kill it.

Commentaire de MUHKehrin

A lot of good comments here (How to get there, use Emerald Wind etc.), I would just like to add some information that I found out when downing Downfall.

I did it with my 814 Havoc DH and, besides dropping below 50% a couple of times, it was very easy.

A couple of things I noticed though :

There is a delay on your Glide when you use Fel Rush, don't press the spacebar twice thinking it ate an input.

Once I was inside of his wind-channel I held down the spacebar, and basically floated in the middle, so keep that in mind if you're having issues holding unto him.

When he throws you, and you spin around, be prepared to hit your spacebar. You can glide before you stop to spin.

That's it, go get your hidden appearance.

Commentaire de bigdawg78

I just tried the easy way on live after 7.1. Did not drop anything for me. I tried it again thinking I may have screwed up. Body is not lootable. I used a goblin glider from Dalaran to get to Downfall and killed him. I was havoc with havoc loot enabled. I have artifact knowledge 7 and my class campaign is finished.

Commentaire de IMissThottbot

Easily doable even as Vengeance. I'm a tank and didn't feel like swapping to DPS, considering I have little experience and no AP for it. The glide mechanic is very forgiving.

Commentaire de ichmili

In 7.1 I've gotten the "Candrael neck", Flown from Highmountain, Dalaran and launched by Candrael to Downfall, and killed him on all 3 occasions, but not once was he lootable.
I also was havoc all 3 times, and my artifact knowledge is 13.
Any suggestions to what I can do different to get my Hidden Artifact appearance?
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Commentaire de Rharst

For jumping off Highmountain a person can also use the Kite toy or goblin Glider to get some extra distance if they are vengeance spec

Commentaire de KissxMint

/way 30, 68.66
Found a easy path to get to him, climb a short distance (was in Vegeance - use Infernal Strike if need) you'll see the tree with NPC (Candrael Twinshadow) there to initiate the fight.

Another easy way to get there: fly to Felblaze Ingress in Azsuna. Take road NE, cross river into Suramar. Make right turn up hill where you will see tree and Candrael Twinshadow. talk to her and she'll send you up.

Commentaire de Talboth

Completed this today (AK Level 9) without the charm by gliding in from Highmountain but noticed a few quirks:

In Vengeance spec, I could not glide to him on his second positioning. He slowly died but the body was unlootable and de-spawned immediately. This was even with the loot choice set to "Havoc". After 3 tries I concluded this could not be done using the glide method in Vengeance spec.
Did this in first try as Havoc spec using the glide method. Fel Rush was needed to get positioned on his final move and have the forward momentum to glide to him. Got the appearance on the first try this way.
Speaking to the NPC who kicks you up there the normal way even after killing him a couple times on Vengeance spec, did not give me the ability to be kicked up for subsequent tries by using the glide method.

Commentaire de Sephirithane

I just did this without having the item from the Suramar World Quests. I was Havoc spec. AK Level 5. I was using the Fel Barrage talent to pack an extra punch. I went to the FP area in Dalaran and got up on the wall and followed it along until I could see Felsoul Hold pretty well. I was right next to a big tree. I used a Goblin Glider Kit and went straight to the boss without any problem. Was quite a bit above him and dropped down onto him. I had to try a couple times because I kept getting pushed down through the cloud after the first time he tossed me. On the third attempt I used a Defiled Augment Rune, and a Flask of the Seventh Demon just to be safe. This time when he pushed me down through his cloud he suddenly pulled me back up and tossed me. I was able to finish the fight easily after this and looted the hidden skin.

Commentaire de EspyLacopa

Adding my own anecdote which occured today (patch 7.1.5, Jan 23, currently had Artifact Knowledge 20 due to those new research tomes for alts)

Jumped off from the Moon Guard Trial area (world quest bit, kill a big frost elemental) using the Emerald Wind toy combined with the Skyhorn Kite toy.

As I was gliding through felsoul hold's skies, I noticed Downfall and had the thought, "Hey, it's that guy I read about that had the havoc hidden skin".

I was in Vengeance spec at the time, but I figured what the heck. Turned my flight around to aim right for him, and managed to engage and fight him (Have never found that special charm nor talk to the other NPC that's been mentioned).

Took me about 90 seconds to kill him, with him occasionally knocking me up out of the red winds so I'd just glide back down to him.

So he died, I glided down after his corpse, looted it, and there it was, the hidden skin item.

Commentaire de hrobin04

After about 10 attempts from gliding/using emerald winds, killing Downfall and getting no loot, I seen someone had posted about talking to a NPC to get tossed. Talked to the NPC @ /way 28.39, 70.28 in Suramar and got punted, then killed him, then he was lootable. FINALLY done with Downfall!

Commentaire de Kayarie

As of right now, do not use the talent Felblade for this fight! When you start the encounter, its ok, but the moment Downfall pushes you away the first time, using Felblade moves you under him enough so that you'll fall. I have tried this encounter 10x with the talent with no luck. The moment I switched to a different talent, it wasn't an issue anymore.

Commentaire de bravePLM

It doesn't seem to be as cut and dry as some here suggest. My experience was:

- Tried it legitimately and failed, didn't know what I was doing.

- Tried flying down from Highmountain, killed him and no loot

- Tried from Highmountain again, no loot again

- Talked to the NPC that boops you to him, killed him, still no loot

Going to have to try legitimately again.

Commentaire de tkioz

I was dreading this, but yeah just glided down today, killed him and got the item first go.

Commentaire de Valiyum

Killed him 10 times now and still nothing. 10 times talking to NPC, getting tossed, killing him, retracing my steps back to the NPC, lather, rinse, repeat.

They have either patched it so you MUST have the charm, or i'm a serious victim of RNG. Beginning to doubt that it is worth the hassle.

(edit: oh i DO have the charm so it isn't that... shrug)

Commentaire de Jeolene

Have killed him multiple times and he drops nothing, screw this.

Commentaire de rrrof711

I tried to beat Downfall on my DH as vengeance and it is difficult to get to him after the second time he tosses you without double fel rushing. Managed to beat him after switching to Havoc and attempting to just fly into him but it appeared that he died when I got him to like 10% after the second toss and there was no loot. Maybe something to do with stunning him when he is at low health or because of not using the charm to get boosted to him at least once.

Edit: After using the Candrael's Charm and messing it up once I had her send me back up there again (even though she took the charm the first time she will send you back up there.) and beat him without stunning him and he dropped the appearance. I think the issue has something to do with stunning him when he is low on health and also not using the Candrael's Charm to get sent up there can bug the drop if you have received the charm previously. Who knows?

Commentaire de destrus

As a non DH this thing pisses me off. Was just flying through the area without knowing about it and it aggroed me. You can't just fly away from it like normal because it pulls you back if you go too far. You have to fly down until you lose aggro, then you can go.

Commentaire de Olieron

I can confirm, you don't need Charme de Candrael or glide to Débâcle from highmountain to get Simulacre de Marche-mort. Just fly to there and kill boss.

Commentaire de Adomsin

The fight itself is pretty simple! The first three times he knocks you away from him, and the rest he simply knocks you above him. All you have to do is use Glide to move yourself into the cloud again and continue the fight. Gliding in from above can be a bit tricky, so I carefully spiralled myself down to him, aiming for his back/chest. He's a pretty patient bat monster, so the use of Fel Rush seems unneeded. He only loses aggro when you're way below him. You don't need to worry about cancelling Glide, as the cloud will do that for you once you get the debuff.

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It took me about 10 tries because my aim was off, but I was able to kill him in Veng. spec. The first few attempts I let the npc kick me up to him, but I got tired of dealing with that so I started flying up to him on my mount. Had zero issues with the drop itself, but during one of my attempts I fell through the cloud only to have him bounce me back up into the air every 15 seconds or so. That broke my glide ability, and I was unable to steer myself until I hit the ground.

Commentaire de Rvaryn

I just wanted to add you can also use vengeful retreat if you end up getting below him - it might just pop you up high enough for him to snag you in his wind.

Commentaire de TheRogueDude

If you have flying available then you can skip the part when you need to farm the item.
All you need to do is just fly in and kill it.

Commentaire de crazylion22

Apparently, it has received a change so that only players who have looted the item from NPCs in Suramar are able to actually see Downfall - or its just absent for any other reason.

I had spend about two hours searching - no matter how many times I relogged, switched zones and realms, it just was nowhere to be found, nor were any other player able to see it.

Didn't stumble over any official notes or statements to confirm this though.

Commentaire de MagnusxDD

This does not work in patch 7.2.5, anyone know why Downfall is not at his usual spot/not spawning at all.

Commentaire de Nerys

As someone has already mentioned, you can't use Metamorphosis during the fight since there is no ground to leap to, but I suggest popping Metamorphosis right before talking to Candrael.

Commentaire de ShamrockSoup

Didn't level my Demon Hunter until 7.2.5. Because of this I had many bits of mixed information regarding Downfall and Candrael's Charm. Spent a lot of time trying to slay Downfall for the hidden appearance and I have to say... watching Downfall's corpse fall that distance towards the ground as its arms flailed in the air was extremely satisfying.

Commentaire de Shashos

I have to say this is one of the most frustrating experiences for me in Legion to date. It took me many tries to get the hang of gliding back to his cloud without falling.

Once I got Downfall to about 35% health, he just kept repeatedly kicking me up into the sky every few seconds. Needless to say, it's nearly impossible to do any DPS at that point. I don't know if the fight bugged, or what happened. I gave up on that attempt and retried, mounting up and flying to him. During this attempt, he only tossed me 3 times and I was finally able to beat him. Watching his smug bat face fall to the ground was excellent. :D

Commentaire de acrye

Required to have dumb charm thing

Commentaire de monischaf

In 7.2.5, you DO need Charme de Candrael and you DO have to talk to Candrael Ombres-Jumelles - you cannot just fly up to Débâcle and kill him, he won't drop anything.

Commentaire de Rudy199

He DOES NOT drop the item unless you talk to the NPC.

Commentaire de oozie

ok - summary -

1- get quest item Candrael's charm drop from random mob in suramar city
2 - talk to Candrael Twinshadow who is up on a hill at 28.39, 70.28 in Suramar
3 - don't be mounted - she will fling you to Downfall where you can dps it a bit until it flings you away southwards
4 - activate glide!
5 - downfall will have followed you but now is a tad lower than you
6 - glide down and more dps till it flings you away
7 - downfall has fallen further down below you (hence the name I guess)
8- glide down and finish it off
9 - corpse will fall to ground so fall/glide down and loot the item!
10 - grats !

(if you fail and/or die - go back to step 2 and retry!)

Commentaire de ManuVigil

This encounter is one of the worst ideas Blizzard has ever implemented. As a Havoc spec DH I just kept getting thrown away from him too far to glide back to him. Without Fel Rush I had no way to continue the fight. I dont have Legion flying yet so this encounter is just a nightmare.

Commentaire de purenrgy

Ok, so to clear some things up and tell you how I got this

1. You do not have to do Dailys to get this drop.
2. It will drop from any mob in Suramar.
3. Yes, RNG is crappy for this so it may take a while.
4. You don't have to be lvl 110.
5. You can (as of 7.2) be in a group with someone that uses this item and kills the mob and get the skin also. You will not be able to see anything or loot anything but you will get it in the mail. SEE NOTE BELOW
6. You do not need a specific rep to get this drop.
7. You do not need to be in Havoc spec.

Simply just farm mobs and eventually you will get it. The best place I found was 44.31, 68.66. It is by the water across from where you do the Daily quest to unlock the Accused Suramar Citizens from the prison cells. There is a waterfall and little circular pool of water. On the corner are two tables of Suramar Loyalist. 3 per table. They only have 1.3 mil life and respawn quick.

After trying many other places to farm I started here and the Candrael's Charm drop after only 10 min. Probably lucky but it was a fast way to grind. I did it in Veng Spec.

After getting this item I went to see Candrael Twinshadow at 27.99, 70.88. I could see Downfall in the air so I just flew up to attack him, but all I did was fall. I went back and talked to Candrael. She shot me in the air and then I could actually fight Downfall properly to get my Guise of the Deathwalker.

I will add some screen shots of the spot. Hope this helps.

NOTE: Once you use Guise of the Deathwalker, both Candrael Twinshadow and your Candrael's Charm will be gone. You cannot repeat this kill afterwards.

Commentaire de lycanthropic

Make sure you have Charme de Candrael in your bag, won't work if it's in your bank. Go to Candrael Ombres-Jumelles and talk to her. Instead of the fight dialogue you will ask her, "Are these your initials?" and you will be thrown into the fight. Without this dialogue trigger you can kill Débâcle 1000 times and never get the Simulacre de Marche-mort .

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