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Commentaire de Redily

Comme suggéré dans les commentaires anglais, si vous n'avez pas envie de vous prendre la tête > Go installer Zereth Mortis Puzzle Helper.
Pour ce puzzle en particulier, ne prenez pas peur sur le gros tableau qui s'affiche, il suffit de reproduire la grille de signes qui sont affichés en cliquant sur chaque option proposée par l'add-on (forme, nombre de trait de la forme, symbole à l'intérieur, nombre de symbole à l'intérieur).
En appuyant sur "Solve", vous n'aurez plus qu'à cliquer 3 par 3 sur les cases de la même couleur (d'après la résolution par l'add-on).
Ça reste flou comme explication, mais ça donnera sûrement moins de noeuds au cerveau que d'essayer de résoudre le tout (tout le monde n'aime pas les jeux d'énigmes :p)

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Commentaire de Sipder2

As with other cyphers, you must deactivate all runes on the grid to access the information contained in the cypher.
Runes can only be cleared by matching them into a phrase of three runes that are syntactically aligned.
Such a phrase contains three runes that are either identical or different in each of their four properties:
Core shape, number of core shapes, border shape, and number of border shapes.
There are nine runes here, clear the grid by making three valid phrases of three runes.

Tip: pay attention on the borders.

Your First Fugueal Protolock Quest WoW: https://youtu.be/ttTPYUpUFGc

Commentaire de varenne

Firim explains the rules ingame:

Deactivate all runes on the grid to access the information contained in the cypher.
Runes can only be cleared by matching them into a phrase of three runes that are syntactically aligned.
Such a phrase contains three runes that are either identical or different in each of their four properties:
Core shape, number of core shapes, border shape, and number of border shapes.
There are nine runes here, clear the grid by making three valid phrases of three runes.

Hints:
The puzzle is pretty random, but most of the time you can
start from the runes that have equal number of lines on the border

Your First Fugueal Protolock demo: https://youtu.be/76cJwzPAJRc

All Puzzles intro quests:

Commentaire de Sarthorius

Some of these puzzles are 'easy', but for those that need speed, there's actually a 'helper addon', that works on all 3 kinds of puzzles (Cantaric, Mezzonic and Fugueal): Zereth Mortis Puzzle Helper available on curse.

Don't thank ME, thank httpsx by supporting him and his addon if possible :D

Edit: I found another kind of puzzle, similar to the untying ones from Nazjatar, but those I found are easy enough.

Commentaire de Somnif

Question: Are these guaranteed to actually be solvable?

I keep getting boards that I swear no combination of moves would actually let me win with. And Firim tells me "It appears that the final runes you have available don't make a valid phrase, you will need to restart the cypher and try again" regardless of which move I make first.

Commentaire de SaltLB

Wowhead guide to solve these.

Commentaire de Elua

Seriously blizzard, what a horrible quest.

Commentaire de iIIumnati

As I tried to figure this out, I came to this conclusion:
Think of your 3 clicks as either:
SAME + SAME + SAME or DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT

SAME border shapes can be:
circle + circle + circle
square + square + square
hexagon + hexagon + hexagon

SAME core shapes can be:
cube + cube + cube
diamond + diamond + diamond
round + round + round

SAME core numbers can be:
one number + one number + one number
two numbers + two numbers + two numbers
three numbers + three numbers + three numbers
For example: one cube + one round + one diamond
For example: two cubes + two rounds + two diamonds

SAME border numbers can be:
one border + one border + one border
two borders + two borders + two borders
three borders + three borders + three borders
For example: A circle with one border + a square with one border + a hexagon with one border

DIFFERENT border shapes can be:
circle + square + hexagon

DIFFERENT core shapes can be:
cube + diamond + round

DIFFERENT core numbers can be:
one number + two numbers + three numbers
For example: one round + two diamonds + three cubes
For example: one cube + two cubes + three cubes

DIFFERENT border numbers can be:
one border + two borders + three borders
For example: a square with one border + a circle with two borders + a hexagon with three borders
For example: a square with one border + a square with two borders + a square with three borders

All 4 criteria (border shape, core shape, border numbers, core numbers) have to all be either
SAME + SAME + SAME or DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT

Example:

A square with one border and two cubes in the core.
A circle with one border and two diamonds in the core.
A hexagon with one border and two rounds in the core.

Border shapes are DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT (square, circle, hex)
Border numbers are SAME + SAME + SAME (one border, one border, one border)
Core shapes are DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT (cubes, diamonds, rounds)
Core numbers are SAME + SAME + SAME (two cores, two cores, two cores)

Hope this helps.

Update:

After reading some more comments in this post and solving some more of these puzzles I want to add some more info to provide you with additional help.

Observations:
1] These puzzles get easier to solve the more you do them.
2] I have not yet come accross an "unsolvable puzzle".
3] Do you see the patterns ... the fractals? (my favorite Firim quote).

Observation 1 needs no explanation. Like most things, the more you do it the better you get.

Observation 2 requires a bit of explaining. The themes of the comments are the following:
"Are you sure each puzzle actually has a solution?"
"I clicked on 3 pieces and they dissapeared, but there is no way to remove the other 6 pieces"
"I clicked on 6 pieces and they dissapeared, but there is no way to remove the final 3 pieces"

My answer is two fold.
A] It is my guess that every puzzle is generated by a computer program which means two things.
1] Every puzzle has a solution unless the program has a flaw ... which I doubt.
2] There is only a finite number of puzzles, but due to probability and statistics that's a huge number.

B] A puzzle might seem like it is unsolvable only because you clicked on 3 pieces that have a "valid" criteria.
Those 3 pieces dissapear and you are left with 6 pieces. Of the remaining 6 pieces, there is no valid criteria
to remove any more pieces. That means you chose the "wrong" 3 pieces. It means that one or more of those 3
pieces belongs to a different set of criteria. To phrase it in another way "You have chosen 3 pieces that are valid,
however those 3 pieces do not lend itself to the overall puzzle solution".

Here you will click "restart the puzzle" and this time do not choose those same 3. They won't work for the overall.

Observation 3 Do you see the patterns ... the fractals?
Here is the fun part, but this is too long, so don't read it.

I'm looking at a puzzle and I'm only looking at the border shapes.
I see 3 circles, 3 squares, and 3 hexes. This is telling me something. What is it telling me?
It's telling me that I can choose:
SAME + SAME + SAME circle circle circle
SAME + SAME + SAME square square square
SAME + SAME + SAME hex hex hex
or I can choose:
DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT circle square hex
DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT circle square hex
DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT circle square hex

I'm looking at a puzzle and I'm only looking at the border shapes.
I see 2 circles, 2 squares, and 5 hexes. This is telling me something. What is it telling me?
It's telling me that there is no way to have SAME + SAME + SAME with the circles because there are only 2 of them.
It's telling me that there is no way to have SAME + SAME + SAME with the squares because there are only 2 of them.
It tells me that I will need 1 DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT circle square hex
It tells me that I will need 2 DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT + DIFFERENT circle square hex
It tells me that I will need 3 SAME + SAME + SAME hex hex hex

Do you see the patterns ... the fractals?
There is always more to learn.

I will not go any deeper than this. I think you understand how to better solve these puzzles.

Final Note: I have solved many puzzles in my life and have never seen this one before. The creator of this
puzzle deserves much respect. Thank you Blizzard developer for this wonderful puzzle.

After solving this puzzle more I am afraid I have to go deeper.
Why? People keep saying there are unsolvable puzzles. So far, never true.
If you come accross an unsolvable puzzle, take a screen shot of it and I will show you the solution.

I am now going to do some math to explain more.

I will start with the border shapes ... ONLY the border shapes.
All of the rules will pertain to the other three ...
Number of Borders, Number of Cores, Shape of the Cores

I am going to lay out every single BORDER SHAPE possibility starting with one square border and stopping
there so there so I do not have to go through every possibility. You just need to see the patterns to understand.

There are 9 puzzle pieces, each border is either a circle, square, or hex.
Here is every possibility starting with only 1 square border.

Choices for 1 square border:
One - 1 square, 0 circles, 8 hexes
Two - 1 square, 1 circle, 7 hexes
Three - 1 square, 2 circles, 6 hexes
Four - 1 square, 3 circles, 5 hexes
Five - 1 square, 4 circles, 4 hexes
Six - 1 square, 5 circles, 3 hexes
Seven - 1 square, 6 circles, 2 hexes
Eight - 1 square, 7 circles, 1 hex
Nine - 1 square, 8 circles, 0 hexes

Out of these 9 possibilities, some of them will be impossible to solve. You'll never see them.

One - 1 square and 8 hexes
Never can the sqaure be used becasue there is no circle to be different.

Three - 1 square, 2 circles, 6 hexes
You would have to have the square + circle + hex to be d+d+d
but then you'd be left with only 1 circle an 5 hexes
and there would be no way to deal with that one circle because there's no more cicles to be s+s+s
and not enough squares to be d+d+d

Four - 1 square, 3 circles, 5 hexes
The square would have to be used with 1 circle and 1 hex to be d+d+d
but then you will be left with 2 circles and 4 hexes
No way can you have s+s+s on the circles because there is only 2 of them remaining.
No way could you have d+d+d on the circles because there's no more squares.

Six - 1 square, 5 circles, 3 hexes
The square would have to be used with 1 circle and 1 hex to be d+d+d
but then you would be left with 4 circles and 2 hexes
No way could you have s+s+s on the hexes becasue there is only 2 of them remaining.
No way could you have d+d+d on the hexes because there's no more squares.

Seven - 1 square, 6 circles, 2 hexes
The square would have to be used with 1 circle and 1 hex to be d+d+d
but then you would be left with 5 circles and 1 hex
No way could you have s+s+s or d+d+d for only 1 hex remaining

Nine - 1 square, 8 circles, 0 hexes
Never can the square be used because there is no hex to be different

That only leaves the following possibilities:
Two - 1 square, 1 circle, 7 hexes
Five - 1 square, 4 circles, 4 hexes
Eight - 1 square, 7 circles, 1 hex

These 3 have possible solutions because you could have d+d+d and s+s+s
Two = square + circle + hex (d+d+d) hex + hex + hex (s+s+s) hex + hex + hex (s+s+s)
Five = 1 square + 1 circle + 1 hex (d+d+d) 1 circle + 1 circle + 1 circle (s+s+s) and same with hex
Eight = 1 square + 1 circle + 1 hex (d+d+d) 1c + 1c + 1c (s+s+s) and 1c + 1c + 1c (s+s+s)

I could continue this mathematical argument and go to two square borders. Then to three square borders
4, 5 ,6, 7, 8 and 9. Then I could go to circle borders and do the same thing. Then hex borders. I could
keep going to show the same thing is true for the number of borders and the number of cores and the
core shapes ... but what you need to see is the patterns.

Commentaire de BrotherRathgaar

This one seems about half screwed, it's early AM (CST), no lag to speak of, and when I click my three selections sometimes it's valid, and sometimes it's not. It makes no sense. Identical selections, different evaluations of the results... /smh.

Commentaire de Aamunkajo

The rules of solving the puzzle do not match the description Firim gives. Firim says: "Correctly aligned phrases contain three runes that are either all identical or all different in each of their four properties.

I understand this to mean that the borders, the amount of borders, the symbol, and the amount of symbols need all be different between the three I choose (or the three forms need to be identical.) However, I solved this with the last having same amount of symbols in each. Is Firim's wording wrong?

Commentaire de gogatorsfwb

They *don't* have to be in a straight line, or even touching.

Commentaire de Corwen

There appears to be an issue in these puzzles, where you can select an incorrect combination and the game will remove them as if they were correct. Had it happen yesterday with an open world box, where three characteristics were correct (either all same or different) but one, the number of cores, was 2 in all but one, which had 3. As a result, when there were three left, the puzzle was stuck as it didn't accept the remaining mismatch.

TL;DR: Currently, the puzzle removing a combination you selected from the UI doesn't mean it's a valid combination.

Commentaire de Kanuton

Do we HAVE to solve these puzzles in order to move forward? If not, then I am a happy camper to completely ignore them entirely. Disclaimer: I did solve two already but I don't have hours to spare to contemplate them.

Commentaire de orca2017

ok im not rocket scientist// and I hate geometery.. wth! these doesnt explain how to so this same same differenT different different ..HUH!

Commentaire de Bimesh

I developed a website that solves the fugueal protolock puzzle (simply follow the instructions):
https://eyec.site/Fugueal_Solver

Commentaire de Doloria

RULES for Votre premier proto-verrou fuguéal or any Cache fuguéale
1. The 3 runes you pick can be anywhere in the grid, they don't have to line up or be adjacent.
2.For each property (shape of rune, number of outlines, shapes in the core/center of rune, number of units in the core) you are looking for:

three of a kind OR
three different appearances

CHECKLIST

Consider each rune property separately.
Shape of rune

Three of a kind: all circles, all squares or all hexagons.
OR all shapes differ: one circle, one square, one hexagon.

Number of outlines

Three of a kind: all runes have 3 outlines OR all runes have 2 outlines OR all runes have 1 outline.
OR the number of outlines differ: one rune has 1 outline, another rune has 2 outlines and the last rune has 3 outlines.

Shapes in the core/center of rune

Three of a kind: all circles, all squares or all chevrons.
OR the shapes in the core/center differ: one rune contains circles, another rune has squares and the last rune has chevrons.

Number of units in the core

Three of a kind: all runes have 3 units in the core OR all runes have 2 units in the core OR all runes have 1 unit in the core.
Or the number of units in the core/center differ: one rune has 1 unit in the core, another rune has 2 units in the core and the last rune has 3 units in the core.

Edit:If your group of three runes meets these rules, the three runes should disappear when you click on them. If not, highlight the runes again, as a test. If the group still doesn't clear, start with a different group. It’s likely one (or two) of the runes are needed to form the other groups.

Edit: IMO when a group that meets the rules doesn't disappear, there should be a message like, "This group is correct, but the remaining runes can't be combined into groups that fit the rules. Do you want to create different groups or do you want a new puzzle?" It would be less confusing if puzzles like this were removed.

Commentaire de Tdminial

If I wanted to do logic puzzle games I wouldn't have a wow subscription

Commentaire de Mypciscraze

Hi all

This Quest is mini game to start it speak with Firim and pick last option.

- Solve mini game by removing 9 objects. You need to pick up 3 object to remove in same time. to match them you have to follow the scheme for example: ( same rune with an increasing number but with deferent frame but same number of it or deferent runes with same number inside but frame number go up with deferent shape ) game is very ease just need to understand patterns.

All of use can have deferent runes and frames

See My Video if need it - https://youtu.be/kJPRLtLpaUk

Hope that help You :)

Commentaire de Poupee

Gee I feel stupid now. Just click 3 random items till you get 3 that disappear, click 3 at random till they disappear and the last 3 have to match.

Commentaire de Jeolene

As a poster above stated:

"I developed a website that solves the fugueal puzzle (simply follow the instructions):
https://eyecisrael.com/Fugueal_Solver

Please note that some given puzzles can't be fully solved (I told Blizzard about it, hopefully they'll fix it)."

I recently got one tonight that was unsolvable and I used his website cheat to prove it unsolvable.

Should have updated this long ago: Search out Zereth Mortis Puzzle Helper on Curse. It's all in game and does all three puzzles.

Wish blizz would quit trying to turn WoW into some app-store game center.

Commentaire de Gnomestance

this quest is such a travesty it motivated me to create an account here to say how trash it is. seriously

Commentaire de louie7781

This is just plain stupid....

Commentaire de Aveliia

This is the worst puzzle I've ever seen.

Commentaire de Plufproop

After a long tiring day and being confronted with this, I just cannot be assed. By the stars and moon, what a ghastly piece of BS. This doesn't seem to belong in WoW somehow, it's just to drive you mad. Not paying a sub for this!

Commentaire de Sakka

Wasted an hour trying to figure this out; ran it through the comments-mentioned solver link; tried randomly clicking. Got puzzle after puzzle with no solution. Thanks, small indie company.

Commentaire de Oldbury

So many of these locks have no solution, the amount of times I've been left with only 3 options remaining and it being wrong is frankly staggering. Completely shameful by Blizzard.

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Votre premier proto-verrou fuguéal

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