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Commentaire de 746315

With the current 20 second ICD, Frappes puissantes is pretty close to Breuvage du Buffle noir in terms of extra Chi generation:
2 Chi every 45 seconds = 2.67 Chi per minute
1 Chi every 20 seconds = 3 Chi per minute
Very much boils down to situation (Chi on demand + Brew Stacks vs. steady flow) or preference.

Commentaire de McLockhart

For Brewmaster Monks.
Just as user iamleejn points out, the choice between Breuvage du Buffle noir and Frappes puissantes does come down to preference.
That being said, Breuvage du Buffle noir does have a lot more utility when playing Brewmaster. An on demand 4 Chi could provide you with enough resources to perform two Frappe du voile noir
This will in turn provide you with the effect from . Since the duration stacks whenever a new is applied to an already existing buff you essentially have an on demand 1.5 minute CD 20 % avoidance and 20% additional stagger effect on you, lasting for about 10 seconds.

Commentaire de Kasei87

I tend to use this to be able to rid myself of a randomly aggro'd mob quickly with Touch of Death. This results in my character bonking the mob over the head with the Chi Brew bottle rather than using an atemi strike.

Commentaire de zeraveth89

As of 5.4 this is now the best talent for WW monk in PvP.

You're now able to get 4-7 stacks instant when you enter arena, and can use it to heal, not wasting your nuke potential by popping 2-5 stacks of TeB cause you need the heal.

Using this talent with RJW now significantly increases the monk burst potential on a 1min cd with proc+use trinket if you're human.

Commentaire de Cloudburst

To Mistweavers curious as to how this talent shapes up against Ascension:

I sat down and and figured out formulas for the total mana gained by Mana Tea, but if you're impatient, the TL;DR is that, if you consume more than 60 Chi per minute, Ascension pulls ahead; at 60 Chi/minute, they break even, and for anything below that, Breuvage du Buffle noir grants the most mana. Note that my aim was solely to find which talent provided more total mana (not counting the extra regen granted by Ascension's Spirit increase).

For science:

b = Base (unbuffed) Spirit
t = Total mana recovered
c = Chi consumed per minute

Ascension:
1 stack of Mana Tea is worth 330% of your unbuffed Spirit (3.3b).
The total stacks of Mana Tea is c/4.

t = (c/4) * (3.3b)

Breuvage du Buffle noir:
For sake of science, I assumed there is a single use of Breuvage du Buffle noir every minute. In (virtual) reality, Breuvage du Buffle noir would provide slightly (no, seriously, I mean slightly) more Mana than I calculated over the course of a whole fight; if you use one charge a minute, a maximum of 2 charges would ultimately mean 1 use of Breuvage du Buffle noir that I do not account for here.

1 stack of Mana Tea is worth 300% of your unbuffed Spirit (3b).
1 use of Breuvage du Buffle noir is effectively worth 2 Chi and 1 stack of Mana Tea, or 1.5 stacks of Mana Tea, making the total stacks of Mana Tea (c/4 + 1.5). Note that with this formula, c is equal to Chi consumed per minute, not including the Chi generated by Breuvage du Buffle noir.

t = (c/4 + 1.5) * (3b)

To find the breakpoint, we set these equal to each other:

(c/4)(3.3b) = (c/4+1.5)(3b)
(c/4)(1.1) = c/4+1.5
(c/4)(1.1) - (c/4) = 1.5
.1(c/4) = 1.5
c/4 = 15
c = 60

As b (your Spirit) cancels out, for the purposes of this comparison, your gear level is irrelevant.

Graphing the two formulas on my trusty TI-83+ shows that:

Breuvage du Buffle noir restores more mana per minute if you consume less than 60 Chi per minute.
Ascension restores more mana per minute if you consume more than 60 Chi per minute.
At exactly 60 Chi per minute, these two talents restore the same amount of mana per minute.

(Of course, this is assuming the ideal scenario in which you always have the time to consume all of your Mana Tea. Also worth noting that Breuvage du Buffle noir directly increases your throughput, while Ascension does not.)

(I have a hard time seeing how any Mistweaver not stacking the living daylights out of Haste would be even able to generate 60 Chi in a minute, much less use it all, thanks to a 1.5s GCD. So my personal recommendation is Breuvage du Buffle noir by far: being able to chain 3-4 Uplifts can save your raid in a pinch. Just don't do what I do and forget to use it!)

Commentaire de Slizzerd

A lot of the guides for Brewmaster (including the one here on wowhead and the one on icy veins) suggest that Light Brewing is best for beginners or those who want to breeze through content, and that the true brews all take Black Ox Brew instead. But Black Ox Brew sucks -- and I have some napkin math to back that statement up.

Now I'm not the best or most experienced Brewmaster, but I did notice as I did my heroics and low-level mythics that Black Ox Brew seemed to be more trouble than it was worth, at least for me. Its supposed DPS benefits seemed negligible when compared to the clear and impactful DPS boost of Spitfire, since as a Brewmaster I never run out of energy anyway, and its brew recharge mechanic is ... awkward at best. I found myself very rarely hitting the button, except for when I wanted to double-tap Purifying or use both Purifying and Ironskin at the same time. After trying out Light Brewing on a whim, I found that I always had plenty of charges available, even if I wanted to use purifying twice in a row, and never had to worry about anything.

After doing some math, here's what I came up with:

Black Ox Brew
14 second recharge with my haste (530 or 7.79%)
3 charges
+ 3 charges per 120 seconds
Restores your energy as well (possible DPS boost?)

When used on cooldown:
11.57 brews per 120 seconds
When not used on cooldown:
30 seconds after cooldown:
-> 13.71 brews per 150 seconds
60 seconds after cooldown:
-> 15.86 brews per 180 seconds

Light Brewing
11 second recharge with my haste
4 charges
Passive

10.9 brews per 120 seconds
13.64 brews per 150 seconds
15 brews per 165 seconds
16.36 brews per 180 seconds

So these numbers aren't exactly mind-blowing. What they say basically is that if I wait more than around 45 seconds after Black Ox Brew comes off cooldown to use it, I am wasting beer. WASTING BEER. However, if it's used within 45 seconds of it becoming available, and when you have 0 charges and a long cooldown (as in you JUST chugged your last charge), then it's Light Brewing that wastes the beer. In my case, since I used it less than every three minutes, and frequently used it when the cooldown was somewhere in the middle, Black Ox was typically worse by the numbers. And it felt worse, too, since it was an extra button I needed to press before I got my sweet, sweet damage smoothing.

I went to wowprogress.com and checked on all of the Brewmasters to make it into the top 150 tanks over all. Now, it's Friday evening, and that's not usually when guilds tend to raid, so chances are that most of these guys are talented for dungeons. Maybe if I check back on a Tuesday, I'll find something else. But this is what I found:

Tanks using Light Brewing right now:
Trellbrew US-Stormreaver (wowprogess rank 1)
Medrybrew US-Mal'Ganis (wowprogress rank 8)
Chian US-Illidan (wowprogress rank 23)
Vitaminpee US-Arthas (wowprogress rank 27)
Trancê US-Illidan (wowprogress rank 30)
Cytor US-Barthilas(wowprogress rank 45)
Zqs US-Tichondrius (wowprogress rank 57)
Elerfal US-Frostmourne (wowprogress rank 113)
Vitals US-Frostmourne (wowprogress rank 129)
Maikon US-Illidan(wowprogress rank 147)

Tanks using Black Ox Brew right now:
(Nobody)

Tanks using Spitfire right now:
Idled US-Tichondrius (wowprogress rank 80)
Juggerbrew US-Stormreaver (wowprogress rank 89)

Unknown (armory page error 404):
Mugambala US-Area 52 (wowprogress rank 119)

Make of this what you will, and if you're reading this then remember to check the date because these talents may have changed by the time you read this. But for now, I'm sticking to Light Brewing -- until I get the balls to try Spitfire out.

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Breuvage du Buffle noir

Breuvage du Buffle noir

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Instantanée	2 min de recharge

Vous buvez du Breuvage du Buffle noir qui vous restitue instantanément votre énergie ainsi que vos charges d’Infusion purificatrice, et met fin au temps de recharge de Breuvage céleste.

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n/d

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n/d

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n/d

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Aucun

Portée

0 mètres (Soi-même)

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Instantanée

Recharge

2 minutes

GCD

0 secondes

Effet

Give Power (Énergie)
Valeur : 200
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

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Ne peut être utilisé en changeforme
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L'aura pointe vers le client
Autoriser l'utilisation pendant la canalisation
Réinitialiser le temps de recharge à la fin d'un combat
Autoriser les déclenchements des techniques de classe

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