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Commentaire de 179429

It's Probably gonna be used mostly like a warriors Execute but more powerful ^^

Commentaire de 180146

Seeing as you've got two of each rune, does that mean that you can actually use this as a Mortal Strike twice in a row?

It doesn't have a cooldown now, but that might chance in the future. It's a really good ability one way or another though.

Commentaire de 169285

this almost makes me wanna frost spec when i get one. lol

Commentaire de Kevin92091

heres a good rotation involving Oblit, Icy Touch, Plauge Strike, Blood Strike, Blood Strike, Death Strike, Oblit, Death Coil. =mob dead.

Commentaire de repent

Only question I have, in a raid situation with 2-3 DK's, does it consume only your diseases or all of them? I only ask this because I saw a video from early in the beta with 5 DK's in one group and when one obliterated all 10 diseases were consumed. just wondering if that's been changed.

Commentaire de 178546

I agree 100% for Frost Deathknights, Howling Blast far outperforms Obliterate. Obliterate is only really used by Blood Deathknights

Commentaire de 316987

Obliterate with Betrayer of Humanity dealing at least 2000 damage a hit +100% +420 Sigil of Awareness +292 + 146+146 + 146 for three diseases +20% for Glyph of Obliterate +245% Guile of Gorefiend = 15,141 on a critical hit

Is my math here right? just wondering cause that seems like a lot of damage on a critical hit.

Commentaire de 314852

I'm a recovering dual-wielder, and I'm beginning to like Oblit. I started working on getting it into my build because of Sapphiron, and I really don't need to tank anymore, so that's free-ing up some low blood points.

Anywho, I'm in about 90% Naxx gear, with my bracers being the freakishly good Vengeance Bindings; wtb decent plate DPS rings. I'm running with Demise.

For single-target Oblit is about tied with HB right now -- the catch being that I havn't glyphed it yet! So once I finally get that, Oblit is looking to be a clear winner on single-target. Also, it's nice being able to farm water...

I'd still probably drop in a HB if KM proc's at the right time. I'll have to get some numbers from an actual raid.

Of course, in any fight with more than one target, which is all the trash and like half the bosses, the finger stays parked on HB.

Commentaire de 266924

shouldnt even bother with diseases, this way you can do two Obliterates right away.

Commentaire de MacaroniNoodle

Right now the tooltip here on Wowhead reads, "A brutal instant attack that deals 80% weapon damage plus 46720, increased 12.5% per each of your diseases on the target, but consumes the diseases.

That can't be right, can it? What is it really?

Commentaire de 144159

This ability may not be used in raids, unless you have the frost talent which reduces chance to consume diseases by 100%, otherwise you will consume all diseases on the target, including other DK diseases!

Commentaire de Wakeman

A DK crit me with this for 6600 on my shaman with 900 resilience... This ability is pretty sick.

Commentaire de faia

its little annoying to not have it first few levels in hellfire

Commentaire de 363150

can anybody answer: Does talent points like black ice improve obliterate? Or does it count only for physical dmg?

Commentaire de 231977

Why is Exodia not under the "Used by" tab? O.o

Commentaire de 421217

is this affected by cinderglacier ?

Commentaire de 283244

if your dpsing PS is a MUST. sure it hits low as crap but it buffs your oblis and its a dot. also it smoothens out your rotation. think about it this way.. how can you use obliterate if you have spread FF with icy touch. so you have used 1 frost rune and u use an obliterate.. that uses a frost rune and an unholy. ur not getting off another OB because you only have 1 unholy rune left. blizz is trying to make it so DKs HAVE to put both diseases on for all specs.

Commentaire de 457013

After testing this ability with Threat of Thassarian, I can say with utmost confidence that obliterate strikes with the OFFHAND weapon first (in your combat log), and your MAINHAND weapon second.

I learned this due to the fact that I dual-wield two weapons of identical speed and damage range, and upon parsing my combat log on many fights obliterate ALWAYS opened with the lower amount of damage first and then the higher amount (offhand damage being weaker than mainhand damage).

Edit: And yes, my weapon skill with both weapons is the same as well.

Commentaire de 389759

Apparently doesn't consume diseases anymore, by default.

I'm liking the direction this is going, so far it looks like Frost will be the hard-hitting spec in place of Blood, which means that I won't have to conform to the spec that EVERYONE's playing.

Commentaire de Arkhirion

If this is indeed 160%
then with Talents, and the glyph we'll be looking at
160% * 1.3 = 208
208 *1.25 (glyph) = 260% weapon damage,
then if we keep T10 2pc bonus we'll have 286% weapon damage obliterates.
seems like our most brutal attack is about to become more brütal than ever.
Man I should've called my Death Knight Exodia :(

Commentaire de 609112

I noticed the damage increase on Obliterate, and frost strike to for that matter. But you got to remember that we now loose the Tundra Stalker and Guile of Gorefiend talents when these abilitys gets released.

So the damage increase is because of mainly those 2 talents beeing removed. You might hit harder, but the crit damage will most likely be about the same.

Commentaire de 76710

No, the damage increase is due to you only being able to use it half as often, since they're making runes refresh slower.

Commentaire de Oakenshadow

They have to make it where this no longer consumes diseases, for no frost talent, not even Annihilation, will let this have that capability.

Commentaire de Nimmersatt

As of Patch 4.03, Obliterate doesn't consume diseases anymore, most likely given the change to the unholy rotation and the lack of blood dps. Blood Tanks can use this, however Death Strike still hits harder than Obliterate unless you spec into Annihilation and even then, it would only be used if you had ample heals, Death Strike's max talented damage for Blood being 351.9% (with 100 RP and Bone Shield active) compared to Obliterate's 285%. Unholy has had the cost of Scourge Strike reduced to 1 unholy as well as having Festering Strike which costs 1 frost and 1 blood added and benefiting from Reaping. That leaves Obliterate to Frost, though not as much so as in LK.

As for the high damage increase, remember we are loosing the +15% chance to crit from Rime and the additional 9% from Subversion along with 3% from Annihilation, a total of 27% crit as well as the extra 45% crit bonus, so crits would be 2.0 damage (2.06 with gem) as opposed to 2.45 (2.5235 with gem).

Also, runes fill up differently, now if you hit Obliterate twice in a row, say a 1 sec separation due to the haste from Icy Talons and Improved Icy Talons stacking, the difference between runes filling up is 1 sec. In cata, the first of each rune would fully refill before the second rune would start to refill, making it so you cant spam moves anymore. They hit harder but the end of spamming makes it so they are not OP in PVP burst.

LK Obliterate (Frost):
80.0%--base
100.0%--25% from Glyph of Obliterate
112.0%--15% Tundra Stalker
122.0%--12.5% from One Disease
132.0%--12.5% from Two Diseases
151.8%--15.0% from Blood Presence (increasing all damage not just base)

Obliterate as of patch 4.2 (Frost):
150.00%--base
217.50%--45% Annihilation
247.50%--20% Glyph of Obliterate
266.25%--12.5% One Disease
285.00%--12.5% Two Diseases
327.75%--15.0% from Frost Presence counting Improved (increasing all damage not just base)

Obliterate from patch 4.03-4.2:
160.0%--base
232.0%--45% Annihilation
264.0%--20% Glyph of Obliterate
284.0%--12.5% One Disease
304.0%--12.5% Two Diseases
349.6%--15.0% from Frost Presence counting Improved (increasing all damage not just base)

Compared with the LK version, a 115.91% Weapon Damage increase, however keep in mind that Scourge Strike costs only one Unholy and with Festering Strike, Unholy DKs can spam Scourge Strike 6 times in a row, hitting for 267.15% WD each time (glyphed and with base mastery). Also, Killing Machine now affects Obliterate, letting Frost get more crits and thus more damage. As of 4.2, the nerf to Obliterate is 6.25% (285/304=.9375-1=-.0625/-100=6.25)

Damage for Unholy:
150.00%--base
217.50%--45% Annihilation
247.50%--20% Glyph of Obliterate
266.25%--12.5% One Disease
285.00%--12.5% Two Diseases
303.75%--12.5% Three Diseases
334.13%--10.0% from Frost Presence (increasing all damage not just base)

Damage for Blood:
150.00%--base
217.50%--45% Annihilation
247.50%--20% Glyph of Obliterate
266.25%--12.5% One Disease
285.00%--12.5% Two Diseases
313.50%--10% from Frost Presence (increasing all damage not just base)

Edit: At least now, Frost is prevented from getting Necrosis and Blood-Caked Blade, which, combined does about 8% of your overall damage and disease damage is decreased without Tundra Stalker and Black Ice, thus explaining the extra Obliterate damage in Cata.

Edit #2: Showed the damage for Unholy and Blood

Edit #3: Added the +X damage and did massive recalculations, given the bonuses effect only the base damage and not the bonus' stacked

Edit #4: Removed the effects of Blood Frenzy/Savage Combat and Ferocious Inspiration/Arcane Empowerment because they effect all weapon damage of all classes, not just a DK's Obliterate

Edit #5: Updated for Patch 4.2 Nerf of 6.25%

Commentaire de arthas95

407! weapon damage!

160 base
208.--30% Annihilation
260.--25% Glyph of Obliterate
292.--12.5% One Disease
329.--12.5% Two Diseases
370-- 12,5 three desease(unholy)
407--10% Frost Presence

plus (650* 160/100) modified by AP this is very very stronger

FOR UNHOLY TALENT

Commentaire de elitearthas

Well, how hard does your OB hit/crit anyone?

Commentaire de MTops

The spell details say "Effect #1 Normalized Weapon Damage".
Does this mean the weapon speed is irrelevant and only the dps matters?
If not, what else is normalized?

Commentaire de CircleofHealing

I like it!

Getting some big numbers with it.

Commentaire de 389759

They hit harder but the end of spamming makes it so they are not OP in PVP burst.

Well between frost strike ignoring armor, and howling blast doing forty billion damage with a five mile range along with no longer having a cooldown and costing only one rune, I think they're still pretty freakin' good in pvp. Although compared to what some other classes have, howling blast is really the only thing Death Knights have that keeps them from being completely underpowered in comparison. I'm looking at you, casters-in-general. And Fury Warriors, before they got nerfed into the ground.

Commentaire de 476916

good post but you missed merciless combat. the final cata oblit wep dmg will be 367% if the target is at or below 35% health.Not calculating UH obliterate because Uh will not be using that.

Commentaire de kagenotora

Hi guys.

Well let me got straight down to business, the math previously posted here on obliterate's damage is wrong!

Cata Obliterate (Frost):
160%--base
232%--45% Annihilation
264%--20% Glyph of Obliterate
284%--12.5% One Disease
304%--12.5% Two Diseases
328%--15% Frost Presence (counting Improved)

reason? miss reading of the tooltip,

Total damage is increased by 12.5% for each of your diseases on the target.

i have personally tested those results (those about when the damage boost from frost presence and diseases was applied), but one mystery remain how is the static bonus to damage calculated? i can say for sure that being or not in frost presence is calculated in the tooltip. but i've got a difference from 135% to 200% between my tooltip and what it should be (basically i go from weapon damage plus 934 to weapon damage plus 2545 instead of "plus 1542" . all i can say about it is that it's comming from either Annihilation or Obliterate's glyph (or both), or should i say probably that they are applied twice on the static part only (2545 = 165% of 1542) trough i don't know if it's limited to the tooltip or not. i used a lvl 80 draenei dk for those test.

so here is the correct formula for obliterate with the following variables for ease of reading (there's a simple version at the end)
Base = weapon damage
Anr = rank of Annihilation
Glyph = 0 without obliterate's glyph, 0.2 with obliterate's glyph
ND = number of your diseases on the target
FBD = 1 if your not in frost presence, 1.1 if you are, 1.12 if you are and have the improved frost presence , 1.15 if you are and have the improved frost presence

( Base * (1.6 * (1 + Anr *0.15 + Glyph) ) * ( 1 + ND * 0.125) * (FBD)

for those who don't wanna do the math here you go depending on what you have:

Annihilation rank 3, glyph, 2 diseases, IFP rank 2

Base * 3.795 or 379.5% of weapon damage

Annihilation rank 3, glyph, 1 diseases, IFP rank 2

Base * 3.4155 or 341.55% of weapon damage

Annihilation rank 3, glyph, no diseases, IFP rank 2

Base * 3.036 or 303.6% of weapon damage

those 2 are with an unholy spec

Annihilation rank 2, glyph, 3 diseases, FP

Base * 3.63 or 363% of weapon damage

Annihilation rank 3, glyph, 3 diseases, FP

Base * 3,993 or 399.3% of weapon damage
damn that's some quite the number Oo

well those are sample results if you're looking for one that is'nt here use the general formula in order to get it. Might of the Frozen Wastes will probably come in the same way as frost presence and diseases: multiplying the final result uping frost-2handers' obliterate to a whooping 425% of weapon damage, but this needs confirmation.

have a nice day.

Ps: i didn't factored brittle bones to do it simply multiply the results by 1.04

Commentaire de revecorp

does anyone know the exact relationship between damage done by obliterate and attack power? i'm trying to calculate which is more worth gemming into between strength and mastery for my frost dk.

Commentaire de 785412

( Base * (1.6 * (1 + Anr *0.15 + Glyph) ) * ( 1 + ND * 0.125) * (FBD)

i think kagenotora's formula is pretty accurate
also if you are 2hand specced you can add:

(Base * (1,6 * (1+ Anr *0,15 + Glyph + 2HS) * ( 1 + ND *0.125) * (FBD)

2HS being the 12% bonus if you are speccing for 2hand Frost

( 1 + Anr *0,15 + Glyph + 2HS)

When you enter the values like this it always displays the outcome in the tooltip ingame.
Swapped the parameters and still was correct.
So your assumption should be correct.
However I am still confused about how the Bonus Damage is calculated.
I think the correct place in the formula would be here

((Base * (1,6 * ( 1+ Anr *0,15 + Glyph + 2HS))) +BonusDMG) * (1 + ND *0,125) * (FBD) * (BB)

2HS value depends on the points spend in the talent so either
0/.04/.08/.12 with 0/1/2/3 talent points spent.
BB ist brittle bones factor (1,04)
BonusDMG = Obliterated Bonus DMG (duh)

anyways if someone knows how BonusDMG is calculated let us know !

Commentaire de 1012304

This is still one of the biggest damage dealers for a frost death knight, usually a rotation would go something like this: Diseases, Obliterate until all sets of runes are on cool down, then frost strike until all runic power is gone.

Commentaire de 1261509

This is a main DPS ability of Frost Spec for DKs.
It deal 455% Weapon DMG + 12.5 per disease + 40% more dmg if wielding 2h weapon, thanks to Puissance des terres gelées x2 as guaranted crit if Machine à tuer proc.
This is really devastating nuke.
To do absolutely highest possible dmg with your current gear, remember to activate:

You can also use items like Flacon de la morsure de l'hiver

Commentaire de Seekerftw

Is Obliterate better with dual wield than 2 hands right now?

Commentaire de ZaephirMoth

Hello there !

Sorry if it's a beginner's question, but there seems to be a 5-6 seconds cooldown on "Obliterate", after you've triggered it twice in a row, or just a second time very close to the first one, a lot like what happens with Paladin abilities (but those have 'charges' that need to be replenished), and it's not mentionned anywhere, either in the tooltips or in online descriptions. It quite prevents one from optimising his runic points output and spamming "Obliterate" like crazy... So, some sort of global cooldown or hidden mechanism ? Just being curious...

Commentaire de Akula1

Brutal strike that does under 67%AP. Ok, maybe it does kill with sheer frustration.

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